OFFICIAL "Fire Spray Paint Hare!" Thread

[Joemailman]

Greene is Singletary for all we know right now. Lot of passion, former great player and no track record of coordinating.

20 points today with an offense and special teams giving them no help. They handed the ball back to the offense three times in reasonable field position in the 4th Quarter unlike the past few games.

There are WAY too many breakdowns in pass coverage and it seems some players cannot handle the scheme they are given. Hyde got caught short on the first big play and I think he was outrun by a TE. The safeties are not helping at all. I bet Capers changed the calls after the first two series because there was suddenly someone much closer to the TE with a free release on the LOS.

Pass rush only got better late with blitzing. Matthews is still not himself. Jones is not enough on his own and Neal got home once. A healthy Perry might help but who knows when that will happen.

Capers is not solely responsible but the players and injuries aren't helping him. I don't think the Packers have drafted well to match his scheme and the injures have made it worse. The question is who will adjust.

Capers shouldn't be fired because of what happened today. But this defense hasn't been very good since 2010. He hasn't been able to adjust his scheme to fit the talent he has, and that's a problem.

[gbgary]

i'm not irate but i'm ready for a change at dc. back-ups and practice squad qbs can only do so much though.

[pbmax]

Capers shouldn't be fired because of what happened today. But this defense hasn't been very good since 2010. He hasn't been able to adjust his scheme to fit the talent he has, and that's a problem.

He has adjusted. The adjustment up front to get Raji to 3 technique was for Raji's sake as well as Pickett's.

If you do not have 3 CBs who can each play either man to man or zone, I am not sure what else he is supposed to play back there.

What I cannot tell you is if its coaches or player procurement. Should Shields be able to play zone by now? Probably. But Al Harris took forever to figure it out as well. They usually left him in man.

Williams used to be the swing guy, but now he has trouble out in space in man. To a degree, not getting Williams replaced outside is probably the surest sign this year of a failure to adjust. If House could do it, you can man up he and Shields. If Hayward was healthy and outside, you could zone him like Woodson at times.

The lack of safeties makes it all worse.

The lack of consistent pass rush makes it a tire fire. Look at what a small amount of pressure in the 4th Quarter did for the defense.

Given that Hayward is not healthy and Hyde cannot play outside (watch that Cruz catch as he runs a wheel route and speeds right by him again from the slot) the best bet would seem to be man outside with a pass rush (House and Shields wide, Twill in slot). But for the pass rush to be consistent, Mathews has to be healthy and so does Perry.

[Freak Out]

I knew he painted on his hair. I didn't know he was testing it on hares. Fuck him

Where are the Mary Kay Commandos when you need them?

[red]

Capers is not solely responsible but the players and injuries aren't helping him. I don't think the Packers have drafted well to match his scheme and the injures have made it worse. The question is who will adjust.

yeah pb, but whats his excuse for having these exact same problems for 3 years now?

with all the different players that have come through the d in the last 3 years the same damn problems keep popping up

at some point you have to stop blaming and going through players and start blaming the coaches

[King Friday]

Good coaches can fit a scheme around the players they have. It might not be pretty, but they'll find a way to get the job done.

[pbmax]

Good coaches can fit a scheme around the players they have. It might not be pretty, but they'll find a way to get the job done.

What score SHOULD the Packers D have held them to?

I think the coaches are at fault here to a degree. The players do not always play the scheme well.

But I have no idea how much to lay on each side.

I will say this, in the first half, Manning knew the Packer defense as well as the Packer players did.

[Iron Mike]

Too bad we didn't jettison Capers after last year's fiasco......we could have taken the Wolfman away from Jerrel:

[Carolina_Packer]

Defense only gave up 20 points today.

But... AHHHHH goddammit, I can't do it. It could have been a lot more. They were obviously terrible.

I sat by a Giants fan at the bar who was told me that this is the first game that Eli's looked comfortable at all. He said their line, backs, TEs, everything, has been terrible and Eli's been getting killed most of the year.

Reminds me of the first game in San Fran when we sold out to stop the run and Kaepernick torched the secondary, which he hasn't come close to doing against any other opponent of theirs this season.

[red]

What score SHOULD the Packers D have held them to?

I think the coaches are at fault here to a degree. The players do not always play the scheme well.

But I have no idea how much to lay on each side.

I will say this, in the first half, Manning knew the Packer defense as well as the Packer players did.

our defense allowed a very, very bad offense to score 20 points today. i don't know the exact answer to your question, but i'm thinking something closer to half of that is what we should have allowed

[Guiness]

Too bad we didn't jettison Capers after last year's fiasco......we could have taken the Wolfman away from Jerrel:

Rob Ryan teamed with Greene and Mathews. That would be a sight!

[channtheman]

Reminds me of the first game in San Fran when we sold out to stop the run and Kaepernick torched the secondary, which he hasn't come close to doing against any other opponent of theirs this season.

I think this is very telling. Kaepernick has been figured out by every other defense he's played this year, except for us.

[packrulz]

I could see giving Greene a shot at DC for the rest of the year, Hawk is having a great year and is the best tackler on the team. (He needs a new chin strap though). Game after game, and year after year our D comes out flat, uninspired, and can't tackle. I believe it causes injuries too because our guys are getting beat ON instead of delivering the beating. Grrreene would get them fired up!

[woodbuck27]

I could see giving Greene a shot at DC for the rest of the year, Hawk is having a great year and is the best tackler on the team. (He needs a new chin strap though). Game after game, and year after year our D comes out flat, uninspired, and can't tackle. I believe it causes injuries too because our guys are getting beat ON instead of delivering the beating. Grrreene would get them fired up!

There's no way that any dramatic coaching change will or should be made as we get set to defeat the Vikings in Lambeau Field in week 12.

GO PACKERS !

[run pMc]

Let Capers finish out the year IMO.
15% of blame goes to TT
35% to Capers
50% to the players

I think they still don't have 2 good safeties back there, and the LB situation has been a mess with all the injuries.