More Banjo: @ Giants Aftermath

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Ben Fennell @TheXOsOfLife 24m
#Packers Tolzien 6 for 6 on passes 15+ yards downfield.. Also no sacks allowed. Searching for silver lining in offense..

I think its a fair point that play action might have helped as Bretsky and others were pointing out about the first half play calling. The audibles Tolzien was making were generally well compensated for by the Giants. I saw the ILBs back out for pass coverage after he made checks for a pass and they seemed to get them right. So the checks were too obvious I would bet.

But Tolzien's lack of success throwing more in the second half puts the lie to the unleash him theory.

I do wonder if run-run-pass was chosen partially because he threw downfield better in practice than he did short. Because the short game was a catastrophe. He needs to watch Brees or Wilson. Which is weird considering he is taller than Rodgers. Has to be the arm angle.

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When is the last time the Packers saw seven or eight in a box?

http://www.packersnews.com/article/20131117/PKR01/311170401/Notebook-Running-game-contends-extra-defenders

“It’s been two straight weeks now of defenses bringing an extra guy down, whether it’s a safety or a corner,” Packers right guard T.J. Lang said. “They’re bringing one more than we can block, and it’s tough, man. It’s a tough way to get yards when you can’t account for one guy. That’s not an excuse, though. You have to make a guy miss and you have to get north and south. That’s really two weeks in a row where we’ve seen the same things from defenses loading the box and making us one-dimensional with the passing game.”

There are counters to it, the toss sweep is one. But actually counter running plays are another. I wonder how much more M3 can add to the running game playbook while Rodgers is on the bench?

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Sign Sam Shields!


Jason Wilde @jasonjwilde 2h
No Shields, no Hayward, no defense. RT @SeifertESPN: Via @ESPNStatsInfo, E. Manning 17-21-218-2 to #Giants WRs. Poor day for #Packers CBs.

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New York amassed 212 of its 334 yards of total offense in the first half as the Packers’ defense struggled to find stops, particularly on a pair of fourth-and-short runs.

http://www.packersnews.com/article/20131117/PKR01/311170401/Notebook-Running-game-contends-extra-defenders

Well, it doesn't tell us what the adjustment was, but it does demonstrate its effectiveness.

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Bob McGinn @BobMcGinn 3m
If only the #Packers had more guys named Tramon Williams Sunday vs. Jints ... http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packe...232296861.html …

Now I am doubting that Tramontana had a good game.

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Bob McGinn @BobMcGinn 3m
If only the #Packers had more guys named Tramon Williams Sunday vs. Jints ... http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packe...232296861.html …

Now I am doubting that Tramontana had a good game.

He had Burnett blanketed on this play.

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Bob McGinn @BobMcGinn 3m
If only the #Packers had more guys named Tramon Williams Sunday vs. Jints ... http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packe...232296861.html …

Now I am doubting that Tramontana had a good game.

He had a good game. He had 2-3 takedowns of the Giant RB's when they were trying to get the edge and took down Nicks on a few quick passes.

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He had Burnett blanketed on this play.

Is that picture real? Seriously, is it? SMH, Good Lord! if it is.

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They have done something similar at least once a week for the last 3 weeks. And Tramon (and Burnett?) has been involved every time.
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From Packers.com

Injury update: The injuries the Packers reported after the game were to DE Johnny Jolly (groin) and CB James Nixon (knee). Both players left the game and did not return.

Not having Jolly in there didn't help our run D, that's for sure.

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It seems they were well prepared for what the Packers would do on both sides of the ball. Victor cruz had this to say:

There it is. NY executed better than we did. With all the game film most teams know what's coming but just seeing a specific formation. It is hard to trick your opponent unless you pull something like an onside kick like Mike called last week.

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They have done something similar at least once a week for the last 3 weeks. And Tramon (and Burnett?) has been involved every time.
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Somebody is in the wrong place. I would guess the younger player is the one in the wrong spot and not the more seasoned veteran but I might be wrong.

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Not having Jolly in there didn't help our run D, that's for sure.

Funny thing is, run D was better after he left. Capers adjustments worked. Packers just didn't have an O to take advantage.

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Its got to be Burnett in the wrong place. As safety you would think he is starting deep. Two, the inside guy is wide open and deeper than Cruz.

But why Burnett is in an empty space is beyond me. Maybe he was trying to avoid Williams?

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Mike Vandermause @MikeVandermause 1h
MM: Shields did game day workout, didn't go well. He was injured Thursday in practice, didn't practice Friday.


That explains some of the 1st half shakes we saw. I doubt they gave them two game plans to work with; one with Shields and one without.