Official Vikings Week Discussion Thread

[pbmax]

Hyde's self-report:

"Nothing major at all,” Hyde said after practice. “I'll be back out there tomorrow."

snip

Hyde said he wasn’t sure when he hurt his groin, but that he thought it was either a carryover from Sunday’s game at the New York Giants or from lifting on Monday. Either way, he sat out as a precaution with Hayward out for Sunday’s game, Shields “50/50” according to coach Mike McCarthy and Nixon’s status uncertain. The Packers’ three healthy cornerbacks in practice were Tramon Williams, Davon House and Jarrett Bush.

http://www.espnwisconsin.com/page.php?page_id=278

[Guiness]

Hyde's self-report:



http://www.espnwisconsin.com/page.php?page_id=278

well, now you've gone and done it. If Bush is one of 3 healthy CBs he's pretty much a starter since the Pack play so much nickel. You've made the heads of about half a dozen posters here explode!

[woodbuck27]

well, now you've gone and done it. If Bush is one of 3 healthy CBs he's pretty much a starter since the Pack play so much nickel. You've made the heads of about half a dozen posters here explode!

I watched my recording of the game @GIANTS again last night before Saints at Falcons (TNF).

Certain things stood out:

BUSH gets my vote for 'fist pump of the year' for a tackle he made Vs GIANTS. Otherwise he looked like Raji and Morgan Burnett or invisible. Ohh ... his angle to try to make a tackle needs some work.

Pickett is still trying.

Jolly is in poor shape.

I liked what I saw overall in Micah Hyde. I like his physical style of play. I believe he will be OK.

Our ST kick and punt coverage is downright scary. See the fella with the ball>>>try to tackle him.

As a whole this team cannot tackle.

Memo to MM:

** Eddie Lacy cannot beat down walls. You do have more RB's Mike. Franklin might be more than a politician and Starks and what one carry. What's that all about?

** Ohh by the..... your OL sucks Mike. One running back running against a wall over and over again and all that negative yardage would be your lasting indicator of that fact.

** Your play calling>>>RUN-RUN-PASS-PUNT >>> SEE an average of 13 points score last two weeks. I'm Irish Mike so maybe it's just me but 'only 13 points' the last two weeks should be attended to Vs Minny.

** Scott Tolzien has an arm Mike so 'let him loose' ! It looks to me like he will be a good backup with coaching.

Memo to John Kuhn:

** Whenever you get that rare opportunity to carry the ball. Look right and left before always running straight ahead. By doing so you might discover a cake walk. Otherwise carry on bye.

GO PACKERS !

[woodbuck27]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/powerrankings/_/year/2013/week/12

Updated: November 19, 2013, 3:18 PM ET

ESPN's 2013 NFL Power Rankings: Week 12

NO. 15 ... Packers (5-5) >>> Down 2 >>> Last Week: 13

" Eddie Lacy was hit at or behind the line on 10 of 14 rushes Sunday, the fourth time a player with 10 rushes finished with a negative yards before contact average. "


NO. 31 ... Vikings (2-8) >>> Down 1 >>> Last Week: 30

" Adrian Peterson had 21 rushes for 65 yards on Sunday, including 27 yards after contact. Peterson's 1.28 yards after contact per rush average was his third lowest this season. "

GO PACKERS !

[bobblehead]

its only a must win if the lions and bears both win, and thats not a given

it would be nice if we won it though

and in order to win, we need to figure out how to get the ball in the endzone. and its not a tolzien or wallace or flynn problem, its a mike McCarthy playcall problem. we've been having massive problems in the redzone all year. if we don't get it figured out, then we aren't gonna win and there will be no point in making the playoffs

The way i see it we are losing every tie breaker for wildcard, so I believe this division game is must win. We can still sweep Detroit for the tie breaker, but that is gone with chicago. We must win out in division imo.

[Pugger]

I watched my recording of the game @GIANTS again last night before Saints at Falcons (TNF).

Certain things stood out:

BUSH gets my vote for 'fist pump of the year' for a tackle he made Vs GIANTS. Otherwise he looked like Raji and Morgan Burnett or invisible. Ohh ... his angle to try to make a tackle needs some work.

Pickett is still trying.

Jolly is in poor shape.

I liked what I saw overall in Micah Hyde. I like his physical style of play. I believe he will be OK.

Our ST kick and punt coverage is downright scary. See the fella with the ball>>>try to tackle him.

As a whole this team cannot tackle.

Memo to MM:

** Eddie Lacy cannot beat down walls. You do have more RB's Mike. Franklin might be more than a politician and Starks and what one carry. What's that all about?

** Ohh by the..... your OL sucks Mike. One running back running against a wall over and over again and all that negative yardage would be your lasting indicator of that fact.

** Your play calling>>>RUN-RUN-PASS-PUNT >>> SEE an average of 13 points score last two weeks. I'm Irish Mike so maybe it's just me but 'only 13 points' the last two weeks should be attended to Vs Minny.

** Scott Tolzien has an arm Mike so 'let him loose' ! It looks to me like he will be a good backup with coaching.

Memo to John Kuhn:

** Whenever you get that rare opportunity to carry the ball. Look right and left before always running straight ahead. By doing so you might discover a cake walk. Otherwise carry on bye.

GO PACKERS !

Interesting. Why did so many of us think this line was doing a decent job before Rodgers got hurt? The reason why Lacy can't run is defenses aren't fearful of our passing game presently with Aaron out of there. It is a numbers game. Five linemen and 2 TEs can't hold off 8 in the box. If Tolzien can show he can throw it (and not to the other team) maybe DCs will respect the pass and not load up the LOS giving Lacy a place to run.

[woodbuck27]

is cortisone a banned substance now

in years past if a guy had an owie, he would get an injection, get it wrapped up and go play

now you say you have a sore hammy and you get to sit out for half the season while still collecting paychecks for doing nothing at all

Comment woodbuck27:

red ... my checks on your ? arrived here and my search RE: the use of cortisone and it being banned from use in the NFL or not?

Contrary to popular belief, not all steroids are banned substances. The steroids that are generally banned are anabolic steroids, which facilitate the growth of tissue, especially muscle.

Cortisone is a corticosteroid. It is used to reduce inflammation.


Cortisone: Is it worth the shot?

Paul White, USA TODAY Sports 9:06 a.m. EDT October 9, 2012

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2012/10/08/mlb-cortisone-shots/1621781/

Three or four shots a year

Matthew Matava, head physician for the NFL's St. Louis Rams and team physician for the NHL's St. Louis Blues, says there is a general rule when it comes to the number of injections: No more than three to four in a year.

"I suppose there are always exceptions to any rule," says Matava. "These are guidelines. They're sort of based on expert opinion as opposed to any hard and fast scientific data consisting of randomized, controlled trials.

"Certainly if you start getting into six to eight shots into a joint, that's where it becomes problematic.'' The biggest concern, says Matava: cartilage damage, or rupturing a tendon.


Here's a LINK to NFL banned substances:

http://images.nflplayers.com/mediaResources/files/Banned%20Substance%20List.pdf

Does anyone see cortisone on the list, as I didn't?

Read more:

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=428537#ixzz2lNyeHVOH

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7243606/nfl-players-tony-romo-ronde-barber-rely-new-painkiller-toradol

" By midseason, the pregame training room of every NFL team looks like a flu clinic. Players line up to get injected with a 1.5 inch, 22-gauge needle filled with Ketorolac tromethamine -- Toradol -- the NFL's most commonly used quick fix for what ails players.

A generation ago, cortisone was the NFL's wonder drug. Today, we know cortisone can lead to tissue damage, bone degeneration and ultimately bone death.

Not much is known about Toradol's long-term risks yet, but the drug is banned in several European countries because of concerns about potential gastrointestinal issues such as ulcers and surgical bleeding. Dr. Lawrence Brown, who oversees the NFL's drug program, says that the league educates players on the risks associated with all prescription medications and that each Toradol injection is carefully done by team doctors. "They make scientifically founded decisions based on the patient in front of them," he says." ..."

Click on the above LINK for more of the story on the NFL and the use of a pain killer.


GO PACK GO !

[bobblehead]

is cortisone a banned substance now

in years past if a guy had an owie, he would get an injection, get it wrapped up and go play

now you say you have a sore hammy and you get to sit out for half the season while still collecting paychecks for doing nothing at all

Cortisone only helps with joint inflammation, not hammys. Also, it has been proven to weaken ligaments and tendons over time adding to risk of rupture/tear. I think they have been backing off of it over the years.

[bobblehead]

Interesting. Why did so many of us think this line was doing a decent job before Rodgers got hurt? The reason why Lacy can't run is defenses aren't fearful of our passing game presently with Aaron out of there. It is a numbers game. Five linemen and 2 TEs can't hold off 8 in the box. If Tolzien can show he can throw it (and not to the other team) maybe DCs will respect the pass and not load up the LOS giving Lacy a place to run.

Which is why I keep coming back to balance. You must be able to run, but you also must be able to pass. To be effective you must do the opposite of what the defense is stacking to stop. HOWEVER, this line is better at run blocking that lines of the past few years. They stay engaged. They fight. Newhouse is the exception, at this point I don't even know why he is on the roster.

[woodbuck27]

Which is why I keep coming back to balance. You must be able to run, but you also must be able to pass. To be effective you must do the opposite of what the defense is stacking to stop. HOWEVER, this line is better at run blocking that lines of the past few years. They stay engaged. They fight. Newhouse is the exception, at this point I don't even know why he is on the roster.

Newhouse and Packer OL >>> from the LHS >>> to the RHS >>> Out the door as it looks now.

[Patler]

Interesting. Why did so many of us think this line was doing a decent job before Rodgers got hurt? The reason why Lacy can't run is defenses aren't fearful of our passing game presently with Aaron out of there. It is a numbers game. Five linemen and 2 TEs can't hold off 8 in the box. If Tolzien can show he can throw it (and not to the other team) maybe DCs will respect the pass and not load up the LOS giving Lacy a place to run.

There is another factor that MM mentioned briefly this week, the difference between Rodgers and Tolzien in recognizing defenses and switching out of running plays that will not work based on what the defense is showing, or switching into a running play when the defense gives it to them. He mentioned a play in which Lacy lost yardage and said the play should never have been run based on what the defense had shown. I don't remember if Tolzien stayed with the original call when he shouldn't have, or if he changed a play incorrectly.

[denverYooper]

There is another factor that MM mentioned briefly this week, the difference between Rodgers and Tolzien in recognizing defenses and switching out of running plays that will not work based on what the defense is showing, or switching into a running play when the defense gives it to them. He mentioned a play in which Lacy lost yardage and said the play should never have been run based on what the defense had shown. I don't remember if Tolzien stayed with the original call when he shouldn't have, or if he changed a play incorrectly.

IIRC, there was at least one instance where he checked into the wrong play.

[woodbuck27]

There is another factor that MM mentioned briefly this week, the difference between Rodgers and Tolzien in recognizing defenses and switching out of running plays that will not work based on what the defense is showing, or switching into a running play when the defense gives it to them. He mentioned a play in which Lacy lost yardage and said the play should never have been run based on what the defense had shown. I don't remember if Tolzien stayed with the original call when he shouldn't have, or if he changed a play incorrectly.

The experience factor there is huge.

Tolzien needs so much more time to exhibit comfort and judgement.

[woodbuck27]

OK Vegas has rung in on this game and established the Packers as 4.5 Pt. favourites.

[Patler]

Don't they consider home field to be worth 3 points? They don't think much of the Packers.