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  • What is needed for you to enjoy, have fun watching the Packers?

    A few threads have been started, and many comments made that:
    - GB is no fun to watch
    - the games are not enjoyable
    - the team has no heart
    - the players have quit, aren't trying, etc.
    - there is no point in watching until next year
    - etc., etc., etc.

    I will enjoy watching the Packer games, regardless. Maybe it is from having followed the Packers through the '70s and '80s, but it doesn't take a win, or even a closely competitive game for me to look forward to watching the game I have recorded. I enjoy watching even blow out losses because I can learn things about the team from them. I raised a bunch of athletic kids, and enjoyed their games regardless of the outcome because of the personal interest I had in them and their friends. I seem to have the same personal interest, but in a detached cut-throat perspective for the Packer players.

    It is worthwhile watching the Detroit game, and I will rewind and replay many plays to learn what I can about this team. Even if they continue to get blown out, I will enjoy watching to see:

    - What makes Flynn tick as a QB. I have had this thought that maybe he could become a long term backup for GB, but now I am not so sure. I want to understand what went wrong for him in Detroit. I expect to see more of Tolzien, too. I will enjoy watching him, regardless of how he actually performs.

    - It's a very small sample, and during throw-away time in the game, but I will focus on Derek Sherrod's six plays from scrimmage. I look forward to seeing him get more playing time.

    - The shine has been dulling on Bakhtiari now for a couple weeks. Is he hitting the "rookie wall" or are teams getting tape on him and figuring out what he struggles with the most? The next few games will be interesting to watch for this reason, regardless of how the team does overall.

    - I want to focus on some of Lang at center. EDS is a FA and could be lost. Is Lang an option there or not? If he is, and if Bakhtiari proves his worth as a tackle, and/or if Sherrod begins to show 1st round ability, could we see Bulaga retuen next year as a guard? With Bulaga's injury history, I think playing him at guard makes some sense if you can otherwise field two decent and physically-reliable tackles. I think Rodgers can deal with weakness at a guard spot easier than he can with a backup at tackle.

    - I am anxious to watch Boykin, regardless. I want to see more of Bostick, too. His performances have been very inconsistent so far, but he is raw and hasn't played much.

    - Nelson, Jones and Lacy are fun to watch just for their individual performances. The same can be said for the punting of Tim Masthay.


    On defense I want to see if we get any answers to the following questions:
    - Is Pickett done?
    - What is Raji worth?
    - Why did they feel the need to keep Boyd on the roster?
    - Will D. Jones emerge?
    - Is it worth trying to re-sign Neal, now as a linebacker?
    - Will they let Perry play on the right side, where he seems much more comfortable?
    - Matthews is always fun to watch, but is he really as good as we think? (someone else riased this)
    - I am confused by our CBs. I very much want to sift through there performances.
    - What's wrong with Burnett?
    - Is Richardson anything more than a backup and ST performer?

    Yes, I will very much enjoy the rest of the season, even if they don't win another game.

  • #2
    I too will do more studying of players to see who should go and who should stay (even though I don't make those decisions). This actually should add a level of enjoyment to the games. But I will go a step further, and say I hope we don't win another game, we need too much new talent to be consistently picking at the middle to bottom of the pile. And yes, I realize that comment will likely get me banned from Rat city....

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    • #3
      Originally posted by oldbutnotdeadyet View Post
      But I will go a step further, and say I hope we don't win another game, we need too much new talent to be consistently picking at the middle to bottom of the pile. And yes, I realize that comment will likely get me banned from Rat city....
      I have never worried about that, because I have seen the Packers with high draft 1st round choices and ending up with Mandarich, Fullwood, Buckley and Reynolds who did little or nothing for them, and even others like Hawk who never play up to the hopes had when they were drafted high. In subsequent rounds, TT has been good at moving up if he sees someone he wants.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Patler View Post
        What is needed for you to enjoy, have fun, watching the Packers?
        a hot, WILLING, blonde. lol
        Last edited by gbgary; 12-01-2013, 10:17 AM.

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        • #5
          Bench the deadwood: Newhouse, Pickett, Flynn. Several others.
          Play guys with possible future, you know who.


          Send Cobb & Rodgers to Florida for R & R & R. (rest, relaxation, rehab)

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby View Post
            Bench the deadwood: Newhouse, Pickett, Flynn. Several others.
            Play guys with possible future, you know who.


            Send Cobb & Rodgers to Florida for R & R & R. (rest, relaxation, rehab)
            I wouldn't call Pickett deadwood. He was playing very well earlier this year before he injured his knee.

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            • #7
              I think there are several players who might be deadwood because they are not 100% healthy - Pickett, Brad Jones, Perry, Barclay

              I think the Packers chose to play injured players against Detroit out of desperation and it backfired. Although, hard to argue results would be different going with backups

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby View Post
                I think there are several players who might be deadwood because they are not 100% healthy - Pickett, Brad Jones, Perry, Barclay

                I think the Packers chose to play injured players against Detroit out of desperation and it backfired. Although, hard to argue results would be different going with backups
                I don't call injured players deadwood. IMO deadwood are guys like Newhouse who just are not good players and shouldn't be on our roster.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Pugger View Post
                  I don't call injured players deadwood. IMO deadwood are guys like Newhouse who just are not good players and shouldn't be on our roster.
                  I think he's just referring to this year and them at this point just being in the way of evaluating young guys for the rest of the year.
                  When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro ~Hunter S.

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                  • #10
                    Patler did you see the thread I placed on the forum yesterday.:

                    See the thread ... " Packers @ Lions Game Review ... OT Derek Sherrod's Performance ... and more. "

                    I did exactly as you propose to do and it was a terrific vehicle for learning. Actually Mae and I worked on that together. I wanted her views.

                    I'm interested in what you see compared to what I saw....ie OT >>>RT Derek Sherrod's 6 snaps.

                    How you viewed the performance of certain players that I felt certainly under performed.

                    Who stood out in that game @ Ford Field for our side.

                    Etc. Etc.

                    It's an interesting objective challenge.

                    Have fun with that Patler.
                    ** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
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                    • #11
                      I'll always enjoy the Packers, but them not being a top team means they're not on TV as much out here in Denver.

                      I'm also interested in seeing some of the rookies get more snaps. I'd like to see Datone Jones and Sherrod more. I'd like to see Tolzien get more starts if Rodgers can't go, and I'd like to see them mix it up on D a bit more. There's a good chance that this forces TT/M3 to re-think the staff in a lot of spots, and I hope this brings some much-needed shakeups there. Personally, I'd like to see Capers let go and one of the other coaches given a shot at DC for 4 games, but I don't see that happening.
                      When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro ~Hunter S.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by woodbuck27 View Post
                        Patler did you see the thread I placed on the forum yesterday.:

                        See the thread ... " Packers @ Lions Game Review ... OT Derek Sherrod's Performance ... and more. "

                        I did exactly as you propose to do and it was a terrific vehicle for learning. Actually Mae and I worked on that together. I wanted her views.

                        I'm interested in what you see compared to what I saw....ie OT >>>RT Derek Sherrod's 6 snaps.

                        How you viewed the performance of certain players that I felt certainly under performed.

                        Who stood out in that game @ Ford Field for our side.

                        Etc. Etc.

                        It's an interesting objective challenge.

                        Have fun with that Patler.
                        Ya, I did see that thread. Nice write-up Woody!

                        I've only watched bits and pieces of the Detroit game so far. Had lots of company for Thanksgiving, kids coming and going, etc. Also got started on my outside Christmas decorations (which seem to take me just a little bit longer every year, now). I hope to watch it the next few evenings.

                        But, I don't claim to have any particular knowledge about what they should or shouldn't do in any given situation, so I just develop general impressions about a kid. I will simply look to see what situations seem to bother Flynn, if Lang looked to be accomplishing anything at center, if Sherrod looks to be moving well, even if getting beaten, if Boyd was being manhandled or looked to be providing resistance, etc. As far as details of technique, I will look to others for that.

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                        • #13
                          While the outcomes of the games have been hard, that's not enough to prevent me from tuning in.
                          I remember the bad ol' days. The Rodgers injury exposed some flaws with this team that TT/M3 will have to confront. Long term, I think this will help the team.
                          It's not enough to say they draft earlier each round or get an easier schedule next year; this is about seeing who can play and who can't, and trying to build a defense that can carry a team for a game or three. i seem to recall the 2010 team having a few good games on the defensive side of the ball (looking it up, they held 6 teams under 10 points in the regular season, including a 9-0 shutout vs. NYJ).

                          This team doesn't have that defense, and the 2012 draft really hasn't helped them this year like they were counting on (Perry, Worthy, Hayward, Daniels, McMillian, Manning,etc.).

                          There's enough things with personnel to merit watching. Rodgers could come back and light things up...who knows. It beats waiting for TC to start and having nothing but baseball.

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                          • #14
                            What is needed for you to enjoy, have fun watching the Packers?

                            - One word: IMPROVEMENT

                            I keep seeing the same shit week in and week out. Poor to no tackling, receivers running free in the secondary, players giving up on plays (Newhouse being the biggest culprit), special teams coverage units making returners look like Desmond Howard, Linebackers hitting the wrong gap, poor play calling (Off. & Def.) - where does it end. We know the issues, the Packer staff knows the issues. Hell, McCarthy keeps saying things will be fixed, addressed, worked on - whatever excuse he can give to appease the media, but I do not see results.

                            This team is a mess and I have no reason to believe it will be fixed this year anymore. Packer games are no longer a priority for me to watch on Sunday anymore. Even with that said, I will still watch them, I just won't be rearranging my schedule to do so.

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                            • #15
                              What is needed for me to enjoy it?
                              FUNDAMENTALS in coaching and player performance
                              How about not running into your own DB in pass coverage (which has happened at least once or twice in the past several games)
                              How about just wrapping up and tackling low instead of trying for the ball strip all the time?
                              How about knowing how many men are on the field at all times (12 men on off AND def is inexcusable)
                              How about, to quote M3, "getting off the damn block" and playing like you actually WANT a big contract? (e.g., BJ Raji in the 2nd half of the season)

                              If A-Rod is truly done for the year, then start Tolzien the rest of the way and keep Newhouse inactive for the rest of season. He is the most useless OL we've had in decades.

                              If they can at least block, tackle and perform ST better, I can better stomach the results, win, lose or draw.
                              -digital dean

                              No "TROLLS" allowed!

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