Coaches Behaving Badly

[QBME]

Ya, I realize that. But we all should realize also by now that the NFL doesn't always act with complete detachment, logic and impartiality. For that reason, I found a lot of the commentary about that situation quite interesting at the time, and not the most well-reasoned. Feel the same still today.

Now that's just crazy talk

[woodbuck27]

I went back and edited the post to correct the fine amount and separation facts.

OK ... that was pretty weird.

I was going to comment that I felt that if that coach was FIRED for being where he was on the sideline. IMO that action was too severe.

That....it was more probable that there was likely 'more' that made a decision to FIRE appropriate.

[woodbuck27]

I agree with you on this. If they aren't inside that white line by the field, what's the problem?

Also agree on Tomlin. He did it intentionally, hope he gets fined big time.

I suggest you check this matter and Mike Tomlin out carefully before you decide that he acted intentionally.

Look at Mike Tomlin's body position (or his back completely to the play or Jacoby Jones kick return) and the timing before he realizes he has to move quickly away from the sideline or possibly impede that return.

Mike Tomlin is totally concentrating on that return facing the Jumbotron . He doesn't have eyes in the back of his head. His back is completely to that return. He's facing completely away from that runback.

The time he's positioned in a stationary position (viewing the jumbotron) to when he leaped to his left to clear his original position was several seconds.

The only way you might predicate his guilt; make an accusation of intention is that you would believe that Mike Tomlin might beforehand predict the exact path of JJ's kick return. That would hold 'no water'.

That's certainly not sensible and therefore there is no reasonable source of an accusation of pure intention.

Mike Tomlin is guilty of one thing and what we all are at times.

Stupidity in terms related to improper care.

For that he has totally owned up and makes a zero defense for his actions. He takes full responsibility and is ashamed given the honor he has for the rules of the game. He's ready to receive whatever penalty as the NFL deems necessary.

Mike Tomlin is IMO an honest dedicated and upright NFL HC and outstanding in terms of his respect and duty to the NFL and the game of football. He feels terrible that he made that error and doesn't beg anything after that.


woodbuck27....... My name is Ed.

[Guiness]

The only way you might predicate his guilt; make an accusation of intention is that you would believe that Mike Tomlin might beforehand predict the exact path of JJ's kick return. That would hold 'no water'.

woodbuck27....... My name is Ed.

beforehand? Why did he have to know it beforehand, he was watching it on the screen which undoubtedly showed him the return was moving over to his sideline.

[woodbuck27]

Tomlin should be removed from the NFL Competition Committee after that little stunt IMO.

If I asked you :

Did you carefully examine video of this incident?

and/or

Did you see that happen 'LIVE' or see the game and that incident?

and/or

Have you viewed Mike Tomlin's press interview on this incident?

and Pugger you responded yes to any of the above:

My next question would be. What makes you so sure that he deserves to be removed from the NFL Competition Committee?

You make reference to 'that little stunt'.

What makes you feel that Mike Tomlin acted in any 'stunt' fashion? I certainly saw nothing that would merit such an inference towords Mike Tomlin.

I'll add that neither will he deserve removal from the NFL Competition Committee by any power but himself over this matter.

I'm absolutely certain that he did no such thing as act intentionally to impede Jacoby Jones kick return. The evidence overwhelmingly supports my position and that of anyone who merely takes the time to study this incident as plenty of material is available to do so.

[woodbuck27]

beforehand? Why did he have to know it beforehand, he was watching it on the screen which undoubtedly showed him the return was moving over to his sideline.

When he realized that was the case he promptly leaped to his left. That was the reaction of a man that was suddenly realizing just how close he was to being in that play Guiness.

[Guiness]

When he realized that was the case he promptly leaped to his left. That was the reaction of a man that was suddenly realizing just how close he was to being in that play Guiness.

Agreed, I doubt it was pre-meditated. If he had that in mind, he would've gotten a lowly quality control coach to wander his ass out there.

However, he has a responsibility to be aware of what his actions. Actus Reus is sufficient, the law refers to it as strict liability. He seems to realize this and has admitted fault, and is angling to have just himself punished, knowing anything directed at the team would hurt more.

[woodbuck27]

Agreed, I doubt it was pre-meditated. If he had that in mind, he would've gotten a lowly quality control coach to wander his ass out there.

However, he has a responsibility to be aware of what his actions. Actus Reus is sufficient, the law refers to it as strict liability. He seems to realize this and has admitted fault, and is angling to have just himself punished, knowing anything directed at the team would hurt more.

I strongly felt this watching him at his Press Conference. I hung onto every word and expression on his face.

He's demonstrated to me today that he's a solid man of certain ethical and professional integrity of the highest order. The Pittsburg Steelers are fortunate to have such a man in their organization.

I'm very impressed with Mike Tomlin today. I sensed from the questions of the media that they were as well.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Woody, see Patler's post on page one of this thread about it. He nails it perfectly as to what happens. I agree 100% on it.

[hoosier]

If I asked you :

Did you carefully examine video of this incident?

and/or

Did you see that happen 'LIVE' or see the game and that incident?

and/or

Have you viewed Mike Tomlin's press interview on this incident?

and Pugger you responded yes to any of the above:

My next question would be. What makes you so sure that he deserves to be removed from the NFL Competition Committee?

You make reference to 'that little stunt'.

What makes you feel that Mike Tomlin acted in any 'stunt' fashion? I certainly saw nothing that would merit such an inference towords Mike Tomlin.

I'll add that neither will he deserve removal from the NFL Competition Committee by any power but himself over this matter.

I'm absolutely certain that he did no such thing as act intentionally to impede Jacoby Jones kick return. The evidence overwhelmingly supports my position and that of anyone who merely takes the time to study this incident as plenty of material is available to do so.

Don't be a pompous fool. There is no "overwhelming" evidence, just a bunch of gestures and explanations that could (in the best case) indicate carelessness but which are also (worst case) consistent with an attempt to cheat and get away with it. For the record, it looked to me like Tomlin stuck his foot out to try to trip or redirect Jones and then quickly drew it back in an effort to look innocent. But I also know from experience that gestures are always open to interpretation.

[QBME]

Don't be a pompous fool. There is no "overwhelming" evidence, just a bunch of gestures and explanations that could (in the best case) indicate carelessness but which are also (worst case) consistent with an attempt to cheat and get away with it. For the record, it looked to me like Tomlin stuck his foot out to try to trip or redirect Jones and then quickly drew it back in an effort to look innocent. But I also know from experience that gestures are always open to interpretation.

Agree completely. What was he doing that close to the sideline to begin with? I'm confident he could see the jumbotron just as well 10 feet away from the sideline where he was supposed to be in the first case. He's been around long enough and knows good and well where he should, and shouldn't, be.

[pbmax]

He's not looking at the JumbTron.

[woodbuck27]

Woody, see Patler's post on page one of this thread about it. He nails it perfectly as to what happens. I agree 100% on it.

Well then I disagree with your position and Patler's and I'm not even cautiously claiming that position.

Have you studied the available video?

No you didn't ! Why do I know that? Because if you did you would accept my conclusion. A conclusion that trumps mere speculation and illogical reasoning based on any inference.

There's no way in my careful analysis that I could find that Mike Tomlin acted with pre-meditation for the action he'll pay a heavy fine for. That man didn't even focus himself on that position. Why do you want to judge his integrity?

What he did was simply wrong and well frankly stupid in terms of not only the severe fine he'll suffer his bank account; but moreso the possibility of an injury. He neglected himself in what is now deemed a severe violation of the rules of NFL football .

[pbmax]

Intent doesn't matter in this case. He was in the stripe and was not supposed to be.

Fine him, regardless of intentions.

[woodbuck27]

Don't be a pompous fool. There is no "overwhelming" evidence, just a bunch of gestures and explanations that could (in the best case) indicate carelessness but which are also (worst case) consistent with an attempt to cheat and get away with it. For the record, it looked to me like Tomlin stuck his foot out to try to trip or redirect Jones and then quickly drew it back in an effort to look innocent. But I also know from experience that gestures are always open to interpretation.

and with your response you deserve this in return.......