Coaches Behaving Badly

[woodbuck27]

Intent doesn't matter in this case. He was in the stripe and was not supposed to be.

Fine him, regardless of intentions.

Absolutely and Mike Tomlin is totally on with that fine whatever it is.

Mike Tomlin feels horrible that he did this. His integrity cannot in this incident be attacked with merit.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Well then I disagree with your position and Patler's and I'm not even cautiously claiming that position.

Have you studied the available video?

No you didn't ! Why do I know that? Because if you did you would accept my conclusion. A conclusion that trumps mere speculation and illogical reasoning based on any inference.

There's no way in my careful analysis that I could find that Mike Tomlin acted with pre-meditation for the action he'll pay a heavy fine for. That man didn't even focus himself on that position. Why do you want to judge his integrity?

What he did was simply wrong and well frankly stupid in terms of not only the severe fine he'll suffer his bank account; but moreso the possibility of an injury. He neglected himself in what is now deemed a severe violation of the rules of NFL football .

Are you seriously this arrogant all the time?

I did look at the video and came to a different conclusion than you did. End of story.

But feel free to try and talk down to those who disagree with you by telling them how much smarter you are.

[QBME]

He's not looking at the JumbTron.

Probably because he heard a whole bunch of feet galloping towards him and was perplexed as to what that could mean thereby becoming distracted from watching the big TV. Maybe he was daydreaming.

An interesting photo angle. If the returner was running at a 5.0/40 yard clip at that point, he was 5/8 of a second away from a collision, and Tomlin hadn't even started his little bunny hop maneuver yet.

[woodbuck27]

Are you seriously this arrogant all the time?

I did look at the video and came to a different conclusion than you did. End of story.

But feel free to try and talk down to those who disagree with you by telling them how much smarter you are.

I watched it go down LIVE.

I took my personal time to evaluate this incident and it's my position that Mike Tomlin didn't act intentionally to intrude on Jacoby Jones return.

I'm sticking to my analysis. That's a conviction not arrogance.

[pbmax]

He is not looking at the JumboTron, he is watching the field. He jumps out of the way with plenty of time, meaning he was paying attention to his peripheral vision. He does a little right leg kick out plant before he jumps back. He does not look at all surprised to find himself there.

[Cheesehead Craig]

There's actually a video out there of him taking a deliberate step closer to the field during the return. He steps right to the edge of the white line. He wouldn't do that if he was disoriented as to where he was, that would be a more meandering step if so, that's just logic. Moving 2-3 feet over wouldn't give him a better view of the jumbotron either.

Tomlin taking deliberate step

[MadScientist]

Still don't see how the ref didn't call this. He had to go around Tomlin to keep up with the play. What are the rules about challenging on this one?

[Guiness]

Still don't see how the ref didn't call this. He had to go around Tomlin to keep up with the play. What are the rules about challenging on this one?

That floors me too. How did they not call this? And if his claims that he frequently watches KO returns on the Jumbotron are true, why has no one said anything to him about being out on the white stripe before???

[Kiwon]

That floors me too. How did they not call this? And if his claims that he frequently watches KO returns on the Jumbotron are true, why has no one said anything to him about being out on the white stripe before???

To err is human.....but some of the non-actions of the refs are beyond belief.

Case in point, Redskins-Giants game:

If you are the head referee or the in-the-booth replay official, how do you not stop the game, huddle the troops and correct the downs and distance when the headlinesman improperly usurps his authority and independently signals a 1st down when it's actually 3rd down?

The headlinesman should have corrected his own mistake and stopped the game once he saw the head ref signal 3rd down.

Others made mistakes as well but the headlinesman's decisions and non-decisions deserve special scrutiny.

[woodbuck27]

To err is human.....but some of the non-actions of the refs are beyond belief.

Case in point, Redskins-Giants game:

If you are the head referee or the in-the-booth replay official, how do you not stop the game, huddle the troops and correct the downs and distance when the headlinesman improperly usurps his authority and independently signals a 1st down when it's actually 3rd down?

The headlinesman should have corrected his own mistake and stopped the game once he saw the head ref signal 3rd down.

Others made mistakes as well but the headlinesman's decisions and non-decisions deserve special scrutiny.

Frankly from what I'm seeing the NFL officiating this season seems to me to be over the top too much and too bad.

Instead of conditions like the battle of the clock and wind direction and game time Temp. being key conditions to remain considerate of. Now the coach's have to be concerned about how the officials may see something or not and do something or not that upsets the almost natural order of the game of football itself.

It's getting to look to me as if the officials are an intrusion or an opponent in themselves.

[woodbuck27]

Updates on Mike Tomlin and Steelers' Potential Punishment for Sideline Blunder

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1870284-nfl-will-review-mike-tomlin-stepping-on-field-on-jacoby-jones-kick-return?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=nfl

Later in the day (Monday, Dec. 2) word came out that while a suspension or fine may still be on the table, losing draft picks is not according to Fox Sports' Jay Glazer

[Kiwon]

Updates on Mike Tomlin and Steelers' Potential Punishment for Sideline Blunder

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1870284-nfl-will-review-mike-tomlin-stepping-on-field-on-jacoby-jones-kick-return?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=nfl

Later in the day (Monday, Dec. 2) word came out that while a suspension or fine may still be on the table, losing draft picks is not according to Fox Sports' Jay Glazer

Frankly, the Rooney family is NFL royalty and it would take an especially egregious violation for them to be penalized with the loss of a draft pick. Yes, in the eyes of the NFL brass, I think some franchises are more equal than others.

[pbmax]

To err is human.....but some of the non-actions of the refs are beyond belief.

Case in point, Redskins-Giants game:

If you are the head referee or the in-the-booth replay official, how do you not stop the game, huddle the troops and correct the downs and distance when the headlinesman improperly usurps his authority and independently signals a 1st down when it's actually 3rd down?

The headlinesman should have corrected his own mistake and stopped the game once he saw the head ref signal 3rd down.

Others made mistakes as well but the headlinesman's decisions and non-decisions deserve special scrutiny.

While it was egregious and wrong, that error I can understand more than failing to flag Tomlin. The refs in the Gmen/Washington game did not want to call an official timeout during a two minute drill. This has happened before when officials, who might talk between plays at any other time of the game suddenly get into hurry up mode along with the offense.

They SHOULD have called an official TO to straighten everyone out but I understand the motivation behind not wanting to. The Tomlin thing I don't get at all. Being in the stripe is enough for a flag.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Tomlin gets a 100k fine. NFL still considering other penalties.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10...ace-loss-picks

Hopefully he doesn't get disoriented when he has to find his checkbook to pay the fine.

[Kiwon]

While it was egregious and wrong, that error I can understand more than failing to flag Tomlin. The refs in the Gmen/Washington game did not want to call an official timeout during a two minute drill. This has happened before when officials, who might talk between plays at any other time of the game suddenly get into hurry up mode along with the offense.

They SHOULD have called an official TO to straighten everyone out but I understand the motivation behind not wanting to. The Tomlin thing I don't get at all. Being in the stripe is enough for a flag.

The headlinesman was the first domino. He signaled 1st down and moved the chain crew before the ref set the ball and signaled 3rd down. He was completely wrong. He gets his orders from the ref and acts accordingly. Mike Shanahan asked for a measurement and the headlinesman told him it wasn't necessary because it was a first down, again an error. That's why Shanahan went nuts when he saw it was 4th down after the incompletion. He complains to the headlinesman who says nothing.

The ref, Jeff Triplette must have missed the down marker and movement of the chains because he was hurrying to spot the ball and keep things moving. Regardless of the situation, the replay officials or whoever in the press box above the field should stop the action and set things right.

They stop the action all the time in the NBA to check replays, score things properly and/or add time on the clock. Fans rather the refs get things right according to the rules first and foremost. Al Michaels and Cris Collinsworth were right to go off on the officials like they did.