Coaches Behaving Badly

[woodbuck27]

Tomlin gets a 100k fine. NFL still considering other penalties.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10...ace-loss-picks

Hopefully he doesn't get disoriented when he has to find his checkbook to pay the fine.

Mike Tomlin had his method of payment already worked out/managed yesterday before the exact $dollar$ figure for the penalty/fine was made public.

Mike Tomlin as much said that he deserved fully to suffer a heavy fine.

So in terms of Mike Tomlin and using the word 'disorintated' have you used an appropriate word to slam him?

Have you really been following this story Cheesehead Craig ? You posted yesterday that you have but how can that be??

If so why would you act so ignorant? Does that look good on you? Do you like that? Like the way that feels?

Your hardly within any reason being fair to Mike Tomlin's integrity IMO.

That's OK... you somehow need to be that way.

If this is an unfair question ignore it before this board:

Who was the NFL MVP last season ?

You never got back to me on that story. My rebuttal of your stance on who would win the MVP.

Why was it that way with you?

[hoosier]

While it was egregious and wrong, that error I can understand more than failing to flag Tomlin. The refs in the Gmen/Washington game did not want to call an official timeout during a two minute drill. This has happened before when officials, who might talk between plays at any other time of the game suddenly get into hurry up mode along with the offense.

They SHOULD have called an official TO to straighten everyone out but I understand the motivation behind not wanting to. The Tomlin thing I don't get at all. Being in the stripe is enough for a flag.

Maybe, but I have never seen anyone flagged for it. Have you? Possible that the side judge or whoever it was was so focused on the play and that things were happening so fast that he couldn't really judge where exactly Tomlin was.

[Patler]

While it was egregious and wrong, that error I can understand more than failing to flag Tomlin. The refs in the Gmen/Washington game did not want to call an official timeout during a two minute drill. This has happened before when officials, who might talk between plays at any other time of the game suddenly get into hurry up mode along with the offense.

They SHOULD have called an official TO to straighten everyone out but I understand the motivation behind not wanting to. The Tomlin thing I don't get at all. Being in the stripe is enough for a flag.

I think they screwed up both, but I'm just the opposite of you. In the Tomlin situation, the nearest official had to be focused on whether the player stepped out of bounds, and he may not having fully appreciated where Tomlin was and what he did. He should have, but I can understand that he may not have. Throw in the fact that coaches commonly violate the white stripe without getting flagged, and the fact that Tomlin was in the way was probably not all that unusual.

I have a much harder time with the other. Misleading a team about down and distance in a two-minute drill is about as bad as it gets when the difference is between 3rd and something and 1st and 10.

Just my opinions.

[pbmax]

I think they screwed up both, but I'm just the opposite of you. In the Tomlin situation, the nearest official had to be focused on whether the player stepped out of bounds, and he may not having fully appreciated where Tomlin was and what he did. He should have, but I can understand that he may not have. Throw in the fact that coaches commonly violate the white stripe without getting flagged, and the fact that Tomlin was in the way was probably not all that unusual.

I have a much harder time with the other. Misleading a team about down and distance in a two-minute drill is about as bad as it gets when the difference is between 3rd and something and 1st and 10.

Just my opinions.

That is a fair point. If Shanahan was told it was 3rd down, or had to rely on the incorrect down marker, its egregious. I wonder if Tripplette even knew that had happened? His comments after it did not address that.

However on Tomlin, I think there were two refs on that sideline. Someone should have caught it. Its possible the League has encouraged non-enforcement.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Mike Tomlin had his method of payment already worked out/managed yesterday before the exact $dollar$ figure for the penalty/fine was made public.

Mike Tomlin as much said that he deserved fully to suffer a heavy fine.

So in terms of Mike Tomlin and using the word 'disorintated' have you used an appropriate word to slam him?

Have you really been following this story Cheesehead Craig ? You posted yesterday that you have but how can that be??

If so why would you act so ignorant? Does that look good on you? Do you like that? Like the way that feels?

Your hardly within any reason being fair to Mike Tomlin's integrity IMO.

That's OK... you somehow need to be that way.

If this is an unfair question ignore it before this board:

Who was the NFL MVP last season ?

You never got back to me on that story. My rebuttal of your stance on who would win the MVP.

Why was it that way with you?

I used the word disoriented as that is what Tomlin said he was during the play. So it was a dig on him. Sorry you took personal offense at something not directed at you. But that's your problem, not mine.

Again, yes I followed the story. I even posted more evidence of the video showing his deliberae step closer to the field of play during the return that I felt showed even more that his explanation wasn't all that valid in conjunction with what else has been posted of his actions.

Ignorant? I don't think so. But no amount of typing will convince you otherwise of that, so I won't bother.

So it's ok for you to post negative things about TT, but if I do it on Tomlin I'm a bad person. That sounds a bit hypocritical. But you seem to be ok with hypocrisy and once again, being condensending to someone who has a different viewpoint.

The MVP thing I'm totally lost on. I'll look through other threads as I don't know what posts you are referring to.

[Guiness]

That is a fair point. If Shanahan was told it was 3rd down, or had to rely on the incorrect down marker, its egregious. I wonder if Tripplette even knew that had happened? His comments after it did not address that.

However on Tomlin, I think there were two refs on that sideline. Someone should have caught it. Its possible the League has encouraged non-enforcement.

Isn't it a violation to even be on the white stripe, let alone the field? They had to notice that, but as Patler said, I think it's penalized slightly less often than holding on the OL.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Isn't it a violation to even be on the white stripe, let alone the field? They had to notice that, but as Patler said, I think it's penalized slightly less often than holding on the OL.

They should have called a 15 yd penalty on him. That's my understanding of what the officials should have done given he was on the field and interfered with the play.

[woodbuck27]

I used the word disoriented as that is what Tomlin said he was during the play. So it was a dig on him. Sorry you took personal offense at something not directed at you. But that's your problem, not mine.

Again, yes I followed the story. I even posted more evidence of the video showing his deliberae step closer to the field of play during the return that I felt showed even more that his explanation wasn't all that valid in conjunction with what else has been posted of his actions.

Ignorant? I don't think so. But no amount of typing will convince you otherwise of that, so I won't bother.

So it's ok for you to post negative things about TT, but if I do it on Tomlin I'm a bad person. That sounds a bit hypocritical. But you seem to be ok with hypocrisy and once again, being condensending to someone who has a different viewpoint.

The MVP thing I'm totally lost on. I'll look through other threads as I don't know what posts you are referring to.

You and I have totally opposite views and Mike Tomlin and intent or not in regards to what he did that was grossly wrong on his part. That's clearly how Mike Tomlin felt about it in the aftermath of this issue and for which he will pay a huge financial price.

Your totally within your rights to see it your way. I 'only' wanted to make sure in your strong opinion that you 'in fact' viewed the available video. That your position was based in your personal examination.

You obviously did. Too many posters have a big say/view in some thing and don't check it out thoroughly before standing here/there.

In terms of you ...referencing Patler's position to what seemed to me you bolstering yours. So I made an inquiry for that reason. I accept blame for being over jealous. I certainly get that way when anyone appears to be simply jumping on any band wagon. I get that way when anyone disappoints me somehow in terms of such weakness.

I apologize Cheesehead Craig if I offended you in my manner of challenge. In a degree of my assertiveness that might have been for you over the top.

We can surely agree to disagree.

Me and MM and / or TT.

I love the Green Bay Packers. When the GM and or HC of the Packers is in my honest view screwing up. I deserve the right as fan to object as strenuously as I might need to. I do use humor because as a fan I realize I'm not able to really offer anything truly constructive.

I exercise incredible strength to not get over frustrated. TT and MM do so much that is wrong in my view and ways as a human being and that totally in reference to their jobs and not anything else. They are certainly not right in all of their ways. I never imagine that what I feel and post here upsets either of them one small bit. I do expect that what I post may upset any member here and I try to handle that as it arises.

The thing I posted to you and last years MVP.

I may be mixing you up with an infrequent member. I got thinking about that after I saw this post. Your here often. This other member not so much I think.

That member challenged me on several counts and I responded to him appropriately on all of them. I came back with a strong counter and the poster never came back to me. He challenged me >>>I came back and he disappeared. That's disrespectful. That's a cowards way. He simply disappeared.

Between you and I and Packerrats he will remain anonymous.

I'll give this much or add this to also help you to understand any perceived verascity on my part and even which I never meant to deliver to you if you felt that way:

His poster name is like yours with a 'C'...... 'C...... form. I believe somehow I confused you with this other member.

Later....

GO PACK GO !

[Cheesehead Craig]

You and I have totally opposite views and Mike Tomlin and intent or not in regards to what he did that was grossly wrong on his part. That's clearly how Mike Tomlin felt about it in the aftermath of this issue and for which he will pay a huge financial price.

Your totally within your rights to see it your way. I 'only' wanted to make sure in your strong opinion that you 'in fact' viewed the available video. That your position was based in your personal examination.

You obviously did. Too many posters have a big say/view in some thing and don't check it out thoroughly before standing here/there.

In terms of you ...referencing Patler's position to what seemed to me you bolstering yours. So I made an inquiry for that reason. I accept blame for being over jealous. I certainly get that way when anyone appears to be simply jumping on any band wagon. I get that way when anyone disappoints me somehow in terms of such weakness.

I apologize Cheesehead Craig if I offended you in my manner of challenge. In a degree of my assertiveness that might have been for you over the top.

We can surely agree to disagree.

Me and MM and / or TT.

I love the Green Bay Packers. When the GM and or HC of the Packers is in my honest view screwing up. I deserve the right as fan to object as strenuously as I might need to. I do use humor because as a fan I realize I'm not able to really offer anything truly constructive.

I exercise incredible strength to not get over frustrated. TT and MM do so much that is wrong in my view and ways as a human being and that totally in reference to their jobs and not anything else. They are certainly not right in all of their ways. I never imagine that what I feel and post here upsets either of them one small bit. I do expect that what I post may upset any member here and I try to handle that as it arises.

The thing I posted to you and last years MVP.

I may be mixing you up with an infrequent member. I got thinking about that after I saw this post. Your here often. This other member not so much I think.

That member challenged me on several counts and I responded to him appropriately on all of them. I came back with a strong counter and the poster never came back to me. He challenged me >>>I came back and he disappeared. That's disrespectful. That's a cowards way. He simply disappeared.

Between you and I and Packerrats he will remain anonymous.

I'll give this much or add this to also help you to understand any perceived verascity on my part and even which I never meant to deliver to you if you felt that way:

His poster name is like yours with a 'C'...... 'C...... form. I believe somehow I confused you with this other member.

Later....

GO PACK GO !

Cool with me. Have a good one.

[Patler]

The concept of intent can mean different things.

Did Tomlin plan this out? Did he think about it ahead of time? Did he think to himself, "If a return is coming up the sideline, I will do this"? I am confident in saying no, Tomlin did not have the intent of forethought or planning.

But, in the heat of the moment, did he know what he was doing? Did he intentional do something very stupid? After watching his actions and listening to his comments then and now, my personal belief is yes. A dumb idea entered his head, and he acted on it.

I suspect we have all done some things in the moment, things we did fully knowing what we were doing, that with an extra second or two of reflection we would not have done. I know I have. I have asked myself, "what was I thinking. Why would I ever do that?" even though as I did it, my mind told me to do it. I think this was one such moment for Tomlin.

[woodbuck27]

The concept of intent can mean different things.

Did Tomlin plan this out? Did he think about it ahead of time? Did he think to himself, "If a return is coming up the sideline, I will do this"? I am confident in saying no, Tomlin did not have the intent of forethought or planning.

But, in the heat of the moment, did he know what he was doing? Did he intentional do something very stupid? After watching his actions and listening to his comments then and now, my personal belief is yes. A dumb idea entered his head, and he acted on it.

I suspect we have all done some things in the moment, things we did fully knowing what we were doing, that with an extra second or two of reflection we would not have done. I know I have. I have asked myself, "what was I thinking. Why would I ever do that?" even though as I did it, my mind told me to do it. I think this was one such moment for Tomlin.

Good..well thought out and...

Patler you may be correct.

I thought about this issue a lot last evening. I looked at the video dozens of times and his right foot moving 4-6 inches or whatever (Dear Lord) to his right before he jumped left bothered me in just this sense.

I wouldn't have taken any time to do it just that way as his position was.

I would have simply sprung left. I'm not him neither is he me in terms of style in getting out of the way.

So to me that became inconclusive in terms of intent.

I do know this...Packerrats is an overall learning experience that challenges Luminosity in my experience. for Packerrats.