FIRE McCarthy

[KYPack]

Yeah, he did have a great team in Miami to build his legacy off of. Especially when Ireland decided Culpepper was a better QB than Brees.

Mish, your post with the college coaches was a rib, right?

[packrulz]

How does he have a great offensive mind? What has he really done for us to say that? His running game has always been generic. His o lines have always sucked. All hes had is his passing game, and wheres the innovation there? The screens, slant and back shoulder catches have all dissapeared

M3 is a guru because he had a rod and favre. We just see proof of that with a rod going down. His offense is complete shit without a hof qb making it look good

First of all he won the Super Bowl, we win the division almost every year, and his winning percentage is better than Lombardi's. The real problem here is our defense, which appears to be regressing.

[packrulz]

delete

[bobblehead]

How does he have a great offensive mind? What has he really done for us to say that? His running game has always been generic. His o lines have always sucked. All hes had is his passing game, and wheres the innovation there? The screens, slant and back shoulder catches have all dissapeared

M3 is a guru because he had a rod and favre. We just see proof of that with a rod going down. His offense is complete shit without a hof qb making it look good

First of all he won the Super Bowl, we win the division almost every year, and his winning percentage is better than Lombardi's. The real problem here is our defense, which appears to be regressing.

You should have deleted this post. Really?? So, if you can't be successful with both your OT's, your #2 (1?) WR, and your top 2 QB's pn the IR you suck? God, I hope your boss at your place of employment holds you to your own standards.

PS...Who helped mold both ARod and Favre into HOF QB's?

[Joemailman]

You should have deleted this post. Really?? So, if you can't be successful with both your OT's, your #2 (1?) WR, and your top 2 QB's pn the IR you suck? God, I hope your boss at your place of employment holds you to your own standards.

PS...Who helped mold both ARod and Favre into HOF QB's?

Agree with the first part. As for the second, I'll give you Arod. He didn't exactly look like the NFL's next great QB when he first came to Green Bay under Sherman. But Favre? His best years preceded McCarthy.

Overall though, people need to take a deep breath. With the exception of New England, everybody has a down year now and then. The Packers do not have some entitlement that guarantees them a spot in the playoffs every year.

[Deputy Nutz]

When Matt Flynn lit up the Detroit Lions for 500 yards and 6 touchdowns didn't all the Packer fans across the world believe that McCarthy was a genius when it came to building QBs? Now what? It is all relative and you can't over look the fact that Rodgers and Favre were very special football players that have covered up a lot of mistakes made by the front office and the coaching staff. What sucks for McCarthy and Thompson is that Rodgers got hurt. It exposed the lack of depth across the offensive line and the lack of ability of Ted Thompson to appropriately react when key pieces of the team go down to injury. Bryan Bulaga goes down without playing one meaningful snap and Thompson relies on a 4th round pick to fill in at left tackle. He leaves the right tackle spot up to Newhouse and Barkley. Those aren't real great options to begin with, but you can cover your ass with those two guys because you have a qb like Rodgers.

Thompson finally had to address the running back position after 8 years of going with retreads and street free agents.

Defensively it is a mess. The last two years the Packers defense starts off really well but falls apart at the middle of the year due to injuries and the lack of playmakers. The defense has one playmaker and he is always injured. Mathews is a great player, but he breaks down constantly. Thompson has addressed the defense, but at this point Perry is a failure, Neil is a failure, Jones hasn't really made an impact in his rookie year, Worthy is still injured, and Hayward hasn't gotten off the heat pad all year. Dom Capers defense gets predictable, especially when he has nothing to work with towards week 8.

The other issue is that when the Packers lose their 20 million dollar a year player, and their 12 million dollar a year player in the same season you can't do much, because that is a lot of cash eating up the cap. When you pay Rodgers and Mathews that kind of money, there isn't a lot left to shore up depth at other roster spots.

Mike McCarthy has not looked like a well prepared coach in the last 4 games. He looks like a lost puppy without his Hall of Fame QB, but it certainly isn't his fault entirely. The pantry is pretty empty of talent right now. This reminds me of the last season of Sherman's coaching career in Green Bay. Years of poor drafts, and poor moves in free agency finally caught up to him and Favre couldn't cover his ass anymore. In McCarthy's case he isn't leaving Green Bay until Thompson does. Rodgers will come back healthy in 2014 and as of now he can take the same roster to 10-6 and McCarthy and Thompson will jump off the hot stove.

[run pMc]

Not many teams can win without their franchise QB. GB is no exception. The rash of injuries has caused a domino effect because "next man up" comes with a cost to the effectiveness of the team.
The defense has been pretty awful though -- if we're going to blame coaches for that, I'd put that on Capers.

TT is a much better GM than Sherman, and M3 is a better coach IMO.

[pbmax]

Mish, your post with the college coaches was a rib, right?

Actually, I would be worried less by the college coaches on that list than by the two retread pros, Del Rio and Wisenhunt.

[ThunderDan]

Actually, I would be worried less by the college coaches on that list than by the two retread pros, Del Rio and Wisenhunt.

No Bevell please. Nice guy and all. I just don't think he will be a successful HC in the NFL.

[woodbuck27]

How does he have a great offensive mind? What has he really done for us to say that? His running game has always been generic. His o lines have always sucked. All hes had is his passing game, and wheres the innovation there? The screens, slant and back shoulder catches have all dissapeared

M3 is a guru because he had a rod and favre. We just see proof of that with a rod going down. His offense is complete shit without a hof qb making it look good

First of all he won the Super Bowl, we win the division almost every year, and his winning percentage is better than Lombardi's. The real problem here is our defense, which appears to be regressing.

RE: The Packers 'D':

I believe so. You might look at the new thread I began this AM:

The Cold Hard Facts - An Analysis Of Green Bay Packers 'O' and 'D' 2008 - Present.

PACKERS !

[woodbuck27]

Actually, I would be worried less by the college coaches on that list than by the two retread pros, Del Rio and Wisenhunt.

Yes.

[Fritz]

I think people vastly underestimate the difficulty of coaching. Put any one of us posters as HC of the Pack, with Rodgers in full health, and the Pack would suck. If any of us had NFL head-coaching talent and drive, we'd be coaching somewhere in the NFL or getting ready to do so.

But let's fire Capers!

[Upnorth]

I think people vastly underestimate the difficulty of coaching. Put any one of us posters as HC of the Pack, with Rodgers in full health, and the Pack would suck. If any of us had NFL head-coaching talent and drive, we'd be coaching somewhere in the NFL or getting ready to do so.

But let's fire Capers!

And since I missed the Wednesday oppertunity, lets reorganize the special teams management staff in such a way as to discard all under preforming individuals.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I think the Packers main problem has been injuries at linebacker. Neal is a bandaid as fulltime starter. Matthews is 75%, Perry should have been IR'd. Lattimore & Jones have been hurt.

[pbmax]

I think the Packers main problem has been injuries at linebacker. Neal is a bandaid as fulltime starter. Matthews is 75%, Perry should have been IR'd. Lattimore & Jones have been hurt.

There is some truth to that, but looking at wood buck's thread, where Yoop I think put the opponent's passer rating year by year, the biggest catastrophe on defense has been the pass defense. And that starts in the secondary.