season ruined by not having a backup

[Patler]

Do you have anyone in mind? Two guys who would be the backup Center are on injured reserve (Van Roten) and PUP (Tretter). In a season like this, even injuries to guys most people never heard of are costly.

Exactly. The problems aren't from failing to have a backup center, or a backup QB. They aren't able to use the backups they started the season with at either position, Van Roten at center and Wallace at QB. Unfortunately, they are having to go to option 3 at both positions. Van Roten was on the roster until mid-October, when he was injured and placed on IR. Just as with Wallace at QB, we really don't know if the backup plan at center was adequate or not.

If EDS is ruled out for Sunday, they might be forced to make a roster move to sign Garth Gerhart from the practice squad as a backup at center in case Lang is injured. I'm not sure if they have anyone else who can snap or not.

[woodbuck27]

Exactly. The problems aren't from failing to have a backup center, or a backup QB. They aren't able to use the backups they started the season with at either position, Van Roten at center and Wallace at QB. Unfortunately, they are having to go to option 3 at both positions. Van Roten was on the roster until mid-October, when he was injured and placed on IR. Just as with Wallace at QB, we really don't know if the backup plan at center was adequate or not.

If EDS is ruled out for Sunday, they might be forced to make a roster move to sign Garth Gerhart from the practice squad as a backup at center in case Lang is injured. I'm not sure if they have anyone else who can snap or not.

Garth must be excited...PUMPED !

and/or

Shitin' his pants !?

[Harlan Huckleby]

Do you have anyone in mind? Two guys who would be the backup Center are on injured reserve (Van Roten) and PUP (Tretter). In a season like this, even injuries to guys most people never heard of are costly.

Tretter really never had chance to help in 2013 and Van Roten looked like dog crap in preseason.
BTW, why wasn't TT fired for the Jeff Saturday fiasco of 2012? I have a long memory (on calls I'm right about), and I voted Saturday a liability back in summer 2012.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Exactly. The problems aren't from failing to have a backup center, or a backup QB. They aren't able to use the backups they started the season with at either position, Van Roten at center and Wallace at QB.

I am forgiving of TT for the backup QB situation. Nobody could have predicted that Graham Harrell, BJ Coleman, Vince Young, Seneca Wallace, Scott Tolzien and Matt Flynn would all be washouts. In fact, every fan and professional analyst have been on the bandwagon of one or more of those guys.

But at backup center, TT never addressed the position. Tretter was gone last May. Van Roten is an undrafted flyer. The thinness at center-guard has been a predictable problem.

[Rutnstrut]

Tretter really never had chance to help in 2013 and Van Roten looked like dog crap in preseason.
BTW, why wasn't TT fired for the Jeff Saturday fiasco of 2012? I have a long memory (on calls I'm right about), and I voted Saturday a liability back in summer 2012.

I also said Saturday would be a huge liability, and a huge drop off from Wells. Most on here disagreed and said how great Saturday was, also saying the great AR doesn't need a great center. Of course these were most of the same people that said the Packers didn't need a solid running back also. Sometimes it seems MM and TT will let someone go from this team and if the replacement they pick isn't good it doesn't matter. They would rather keep trying to replace the player with shit, than admit they were wrong.

[denverYooper]

Yes, we get it. You're never wrong.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I also said Saturday would be a huge liability, and a huge drop off from Wells. Most on here disagreed and said how great Saturday was, also saying the great AR doesn't need a great center.

You're a good man. For added fun, name some names: Joemailman was a big Jeff Saturday guy.

Feel free to join me in a superiority dance:

[Harlan Huckleby]

Yes, we get it. You're never wrong.

who's "we"? Denver sounds like another member of the Jeff Saturday Fan Club!

[Rutnstrut]

I will also eat some crow and admit it was probably right NOT to keep Wells for what he was asking, seeing now how he's been injured. BUT, there's also no way to know he would of been injured had he stayed. But he probably would have. Just because it seems being an active player on the GB roster puts you at a 33.78% more risk of serious injury than the rest of the NFL.

[red]

I didnt like wells, thougt he was pretty bad

Saturday was much worse

EDS is somewhere in between imo

I dont think any are worth a shit

We've been having the oline discusion for a few years now and the question has come up time afte time, why dont the parts add up

You had sitton who most think is borderline elite, you got land who we all think is pretty good. A lot of folks think eds is ok, weve had bulaga in there who we all like, and guys like barclay or sherrod or newhouse or whoever have looked ok at some point

On pape, the line looks good, when you add all the pieces together, you get one of the worst olines in the nfl. And dont give me the injury thing. This line sucked last year, and tne year before, and ithink the year before that

I think we are ovevaluing our lineman. Most of us on here thought bach was having a good year. Then we see that PFF report and he's ranked as by far our worst player

[Carolina_Packer]

I didnt like wells, thougt he was pretty bad

Saturday was much worse

EDS is somewhere in between imo

I dont think any are worth a shit

We've been having the oline discusion for a few years now and the question has come up time afte time, why dont the parts add up

You had sitton who most think is borderline elite, you got land who we all think is pretty good. A lot of folks think eds is ok, weve had bulaga in there who we all like, and guys like barclay or sherrod or newhouse or whoever have looked ok at some point

On pape, the line looks good, when you add all the pieces together, you get one of the worst olines in the nfl. And dont give me the injury thing. This line sucked last year, and tne year before, and ithink the year before that

I think we are ovevaluing our lineman. Most of us on here thought bach was having a good year. Then we see that PFF report and he's ranked as by far our worst player

Well, Red, you can't completely discount injuries either. You also can't say they haven't tried to draft tackles. They just haven't stayed healthy, and that's never good for the development of young players, or the o-line in general. It's like dead money on your roster. You can't really afford the cap space to replace them with another high rounder, and while you're hoping for them to rehab their way back, you play a rookie at LT and a second year undrafted guy at RT, until he gets dinged and you have to put in a 5th round turnstile. Has anyone ever stopped to think what this line would be playing like if they hadn't had to deal with all the catastrophic injuries on the o-line? I'm guessing that if Sherrod had never gotten hurt in December 2011, or anyone else after that, and all the guys would have had the time to gel together since then, I think the line would have looked like this:

LT Sherrod
LG Lang (he probably never would have been moved from left to right)
C EDS
RG Sitton
RT Bulaga

I'd sign up for that line, plus imagine Lacy running behind that line. Certainly, their draft strategy may have changed had their line stayed healthy. Look, I know that's not what has happened, but then you have to take into account what has happened. Are there any other teams out there who have had to overcome so much on the o-line? Sometimes you just have to muddle through until you can get everyone healthy, and that's not looking like until next year.

Harlan, I disagree with your point about letting TT and MM off the hook on backup QB. Sure, it's easy to kill them when it all goes south. They clearly needed to ask harder questions about Harrell once 2012 was over and bring in way better competition for him as soon as the most current off-season program began. You can't really fault Coleman (practically undrafted), and you can somewhat fault Harrell (he had his chance as was around for a while), but ultimately you have to fault TT and MM for not correctly evaluating what those backups were capable of. I never liked having a never was as a backup for Rodgers. A veteran backup who is serviceable would have been much better, but I think the Packers took draft/sign and develop a little too far on this one and it blew up in their faces unfortunately.

[bobblehead]

I also said Saturday would be a huge liability, and a huge drop off from Wells. Most on here disagreed and said how great Saturday was, also saying the great AR doesn't need a great center. Of course these were most of the same people that said the Packers didn't need a solid running back also. Sometimes it seems MM and TT will let someone go from this team and if the replacement they pick isn't good it doesn't matter. They would rather keep trying to replace the player with shit, than admit they were wrong.

After watching 3 different running backs get a 100 yd game this year you still think its the RB that makes the yardage?

[bobblehead]

I will also eat some crow and admit it was probably right NOT to keep Wells for what he was asking, seeing now how he's been injured. BUT, there's also no way to know he would of been injured had he stayed. But he probably would have. Just because it seems being an active player on the GB roster puts you at a 33.78% more risk of serious injury than the rest of the NFL.

Actually wells is the anti packer rule. He never got hurt with us, but when he left its been nothing but pain.

[woodbuck27]

I will also eat some crow and admit it was probably right NOT to keep Wells for what he was asking, seeing now how he's been injured. BUT, there's also no way to know he would of been injured had he stayed. But he probably would have. Just because it seems being an active player on the GB roster puts you at a 33.78% more risk of serious injury than the rest of the NFL.

Ohh no Mr. Bill it.... can't.... be ! Not Rutnstrut too. It's such an ugly curse.

By some strange matter of time phenomena and the gotcha epidemic. A force that can only be countered with absolute alertness, Zen like powers of self hypnosis ... and more rather secure methods of self control and preservation of strength.

You've been transformed or conditioned to argue any point of view different then the 'we' faction. Utilizing the 'we can't determine' or 'we'll never know' strategy for always somehow carrying the upper hand.

There's one way to break the spell.

Slap yourself up the side of your head. Why?

You as an individual have ever right to believe totally in your opinion.

[bobblehead]

I didnt like wells, thougt he was pretty bad

Saturday was much worse

EDS is somewhere in between imo

I dont think any are worth a shit

We've been having the oline discusion for a few years now and the question has come up time afte time, why dont the parts add up

You had sitton who most think is borderline elite, you got land who we all think is pretty good. A lot of folks think eds is ok, weve had bulaga in there who we all like, and guys like barclay or sherrod or newhouse or whoever have looked ok at some point

On pape, the line looks good, when you add all the pieces together, you get one of the worst olines in the nfl. And dont give me the injury thing. This line sucked last year, and tne year before, and ithink the year before that

I think we are ovevaluing our lineman. Most of us on here thought bach was having a good year. Then we see that PFF report and he's ranked as by far our worst player

Its amazing to me that we keep breaking yardage and scoring records with such a crappy line.