MCGINN---McMillen Wrong from the Start

[Bretsky]

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/packers-jerron-mcmillian-was-wrong-pick-from-beginning-b99157863z1-234923911.html

[Rutnstrut]

Excellent article.

[Carolina_Packer]

There have been times when TT drafted a guy you had never heard of, and you scratched your head and sometimes it panned out and, so you just said, I guess he knew about that one. In this case, I don't think McGinn is second guessing him because he never did like the pick in the first place. Sometimes you get too cute and think you are going to out-scoop people on a particular talent. To a certain extent they are all projects coming in, but you figure 4th round should be more of a sure thing. http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft...nd/4/year/2012 It's too bad to see other safeties chosen in the 5th and 6th rounds that are still in the NFL, including Iloka, mentioned in the article. Other safeties chosen after McMillian, and still playing in the league include:

5th rounders
Robert Blanton, MN, from Notre Dame
Corey White, NO, from Samford
George Iloka, CIN, from Boise State

6th rounders
Justin Bethel, AZ, from Presbyterian
Winston Guy, SEA, from Kentucky
Josh Bush, NYJ, from Wake Forest

Also chosen earlier in the 6th round...Danny Trevathan, OLB, Denver, who seems to make a ton of plays for their defense. J.R. Sweezy, a starting RG for Seattle, was drafted in the 7th round out of NC State and was a DT in college. What vision by that staff! Seattle ain't swinging and missing on guys like McMillian.

[pbmax]

Well, someone is speaking out of turn at Lombardi Avenue and they are dumping blame for one of the current position problems on the defensive staff and McCarthy. This is not good. However, because this info is rare it seems scandalous. People always want to know if coaches get any say and it would seem they do. And it does not always work out well. But I doubt this is the first McCarthy and his coaches' wish list have been heard upstairs.

As for the report, 4th round pick can't stay in League. Film at 11. There is no doubt that failures drafting have hurt this team (and not just this year). But its no different than other years. 2012 isn't the only bad year for Ted drafting.

However, the one fact missing from McGinn's report is whether the Packers had a rep at McMillan's pro day. That seems an odd detail to not address.

[Joemailman]

Well, someone is speaking out of turn at Lombardi Avenue and they are dumping blame for one of the current position problems on the defensive staff and McCarthy. This is not good. However, because this info is rare it seems scandalous. People always want to know if coaches get any say and it would seem they do. And it does not always work out well. But I doubt this is the first McCarthy and his coaches' wish list have been heard upstairs.

As for the report, 4th round pick can't stay in League. Film at 11. There is no doubt that failures drafting have hurt this team (and not just this year). But its no different than other years. 2012 isn't the only bad year for Ted drafting.

However, the one fact missing from McGinn's report is whether the Packers had a rep at McMillan's pro day. That seems an odd detail to not address.

https://bangordailynews.com/2012/03/...or-nfl-scouts/

Representatives from the New England Patriots, Kansas City Chiefs, Cleveland Browns, St. Louis Rams and Carolina Panthers were on hand to put the UMaine seniors through their paces in a series of activities. They included the vertical jump and the bench press in the Latti Fitness Center before the group relocated to Alfond Stadium to take advantage of the unseasonably warm temperatures.

No mention of the Packers there. Can't say for certain if that list is complete.

[Patler]

Well, someone is speaking out of turn at Lombardi Avenue ....

It seems this has been coming up more often the last few years. The organization has grown a lot in recent years, and hires a lot more of the transient type even in lower positions. People who come from one team and then leave for another. It is not as cloistered as it once was.

[Fritz]

Which can be a good or a bad thing.

As for being cloistered, all I can say is the Packer defense is playing like a group of cloistered nuns right now.

Hindsight is nice, isn't it? When Nick Collins was picked, I went through the roof. Who the hell was that guy? And in the second round?

My guess is that you could write the same article - the parts about nobody really evaluated this guy highly, that the coaches fell in love with this guy, that he was drafted way higher than draft reports suggested he would or should be - about Nick Collins, too.

Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't.

[Patler]

Which can be a good or a bad thing.

As for being cloistered, all I can say is the Packer defense is playing like a group of cloistered nuns right now.

Hindsight is nice, isn't it? When Nick Collins was picked, I went through the roof. Who the hell was that guy? And in the second round?

My guess is that you could write the same article - the parts about nobody really evaluated this guy highly, that the coaches fell in love with this guy, that he was drafted way higher than draft reports suggested he would or should be - about Nick Collins, too.

Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't.

Agreed, and when you are looking at someone drafted in the 4th round there is no shortage of criticism, because if there wasn't, he would have gone much higher.

[bobblehead]

I don't agree with the premise of the article. Some points of interest. We drafted for need....interesting. We could have waited. Nice to know that no one was going to take Jerron McMillan for absolute sure. Just last year I waited one extra round to take AJ Green in fantasy because no one was going to take him yet...I took second to the guy who drafted two picks later. Guess who he took.

Body of work. Yes, this pick turned sour. The draft as a whole is still to be determined because I think we got a stud in Daniels (probably picked him too high. Pretty sure we could have waited a round). Hayward may be a stud as well. Perry, jury is still out. How many drafts land 2 stud starters and 2 more big contributors? This one might yet and I suspect it will. Daniels was too small btw. And I am positive we could have landed Collins in the 3rd, that was definitely too high to take such a no name player.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I refuse to read that McGinn article. The fact that a middle round draft pick didn't pan out is not big news, it's hindsight.

[pbmax]

It seems this has been coming up more often the last few years. The organization has grown a lot in recent years, and hires a lot more of the transient type even in lower positions. People who come from one team and then leave for another. It is not as cloistered as it once was.

Yes, but many of the ladder climbers are in admin not the football side, though there has been significant change there as well. I just saw Gutenkist's name mentioned for future GM possibilities this week as part of a top 5 climbers in NFL front offices. The guy who just left, I wonder what his charge was? The paper said he had wide-ranging portfolio, but I suspect the stadium expansion was a large portion of that and its done.

I think Bob just took something said in a emphasized but perfunctory way (we are focused like a laser on injuries and toughness) and went hog-wild in the offseason with soft n' small.

This one seems kinda specific.

[Carolina_Packer]

Yes, but many of the ladder climbers are in admin not the football side, though there has been significant change there as well. I just saw Gutenkist's name mentioned for future GM possibilities this week as part of a top 5 climbers in NFL front offices. The guy who just left, I wonder what his charge was? The paper said he had wide-ranging portfolio, but I suspect the stadium expansion was a large portion of that and its done.

I think Bob just took something said in a emphasized but perfunctory way (we are focused like a laser on injuries and toughness) and went hog-wild in the offseason with soft n' small.

This one seems kinda specific.

Isn't McGinn kind of a gotcha! guy when it comes to TT anyway? You hope that the guy in charge never reaches for a pick, but it happens. Gotta just move on down the road and learn from whatever mistake was made. If someone wants to bang on him for all his failures, just remember that some guys like McMillian are given an opportunity and they come through. I'm disappointed that the pick didn't pan out, but gotta move on, and hope for no more reaches.

[run pMc]

I refuse to read that McGinn article. The fact that a middle round draft pick didn't pan out is not big news, it's hindsight.

This, although I did read the article.

Where are the articles about the Pat Lee and Brian Brohm picks? Those were R2 guys, and IMO it's much costlier if your R2 picks don't pan out to contribute enough to merit keeping on the roster.
How about Cory Rogers?

It's woulda shoulda coulda.

They could've gone offense and picked a RB like Vick Ballard, Alfred Morris, Bryce Brown, Daryl Richardson and not picked Lacy/Franklin this year! They could have picked G Senio Kelemete instead...blah blah blah. So TT made a mistake. It happens. He'll learn from it and move on. McGinn is either trying to stir up the readers or push some kind of vendetta with TT (I'd lean towards the former).

[pbmax]

Isn't McGinn kind of a gotcha! guy when it comes to TT anyway? You hope that the guy in charge never reaches for a pick, but it happens. Gotta just move on down the road and learn from whatever mistake was made. If someone wants to bang on him for all his failures, just remember that some guys like McMillian are given an opportunity and they come through. I'm disappointed that the pick didn't pan out, but gotta move on, and hope for no more reaches.

They are definitely looking for clicks on these headline column pieces by Bob on Sundays. So the headline often outstrips the content. He does some hindsight gotcha but that is all you can hope for with even a reasonably successful GM. Another column on the backup QB situation isn't going to make a splash.

So its of a piece with his Sunday columns, but its not a specific hobby horse to take shots at T2 for him.

[woodbuck27]

There have been times when TT drafted a guy you had never heard of, and you scratched your head and sometimes it panned out and, so you just said, I guess he knew about that one. In this case, I don't think McGinn is second guessing him because he never did like the pick in the first place. Sometimes you get too cute and think you are going to out-scoop people on a particular talent. To a certain extent they are all projects coming in, but you figure 4th round should be more of a sure thing. http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft...nd/4/year/2012 It's too bad to see other safeties chosen in the 5th and 6th rounds that are still in the NFL, including Iloka, mentioned in the article. Other safeties chosen after McMillian, and still playing in the league include:

5th rounders
Robert Blanton, MN, from Notre Dame
Corey White, NO, from Samford
George Iloka, CIN, from Boise State

6th rounders
Justin Bethel, AZ, from Presbyterian
Winston Guy, SEA, from Kentucky
Josh Bush, NYJ, from Wake Forest

Also chosen earlier in the 6th round...Danny Trevathan, OLB, Denver, who seems to make a ton of plays for their defense. J.R. Sweezy, a starting RG for Seattle, was drafted in the 7th round out of NC State and was a DT in college. What vision by that staff! Seattle ain't swinging and missing on guys like McMillian.

We must wait to be sure but my guts screamed 'a bust' when TT picked Jerron McMillian. I looked at the Program he came from and said to myself...an unlikely pick to last. Also ... Why the fourth round TT? Afraid to lose him?

I'm guessing it wasn't worth the risk to Ted Thompson. Another of his 'diamonds in the rough' picks.

Please .....stop that TT.

I mean the University of Maine ! They play decent hockey there. Football...?