Is Vic Ketchman that full of himself?

[woodbuck27]

http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/ask-vic/article-1/Will-Packers-fans-take-over-Dallas-this-weekend/e0f5ef05-8cac-4916-8762-9586cc335be1

Will Packers fans take over Dallas this weekend?

Posted Dec 13, 2013

Comment woodbuck27:

But this:

See the question and Vic's response above this:

Mez from Janesville, WI

Geez, Vic, enough with the lashing out at the fans about questioning the coaches. We get it, they're infinitely wise and we have no right to judge small mistakes but, honestly, anyone making that kind of money, on that type of stage, that wields that kind of power, is bound to experience intense scrutiny. Granted, it's not all deserved, but it should be expected. Fans pay the bills, Vic, and we want Eddie Lacy running the ball on meaningful downs.

'NOT Vic's BEST MOMENT ' Response:

Janesville, huh? You’re banned, too. I’m banning Janesville and I don’t even know where it is.

My response:

Get your ass out of the clouds Vic. Get out a map of Wisconsin and find out where Janesville ,WI is ......and stay the 'H' away from there. Your not popular.

Clown Jack.

[woodbuck27]

Maybe these are simply trying times in PACKER NATION.

The best football fans in the world Eh!?

How about that when their losing?

It's still always OK for fans to react in whatever fashion. Their simply the fans.

Otherwise...It's 'only' football.

We need the fans main spokespeople to lead with a proper example. Especially anyone employed by a Packer Nation site as prestigious as Packers.Com. A site existing to present all 'Good Things' Packers and stick it there.

Vic Ketchman made an error here. Let's see if he returns with a proper comeback as he should.

What do you think?

[George Cumby]

I'm good with him. He's just a smart aleck and has this banter going back and forth with the people who right in.

He's got some really good insights and I've learned a lot from him.

But I can see how he rubs some folks wrong.

[pbmax]

I think he is next to useless, but I think this is part of his shtick.

[Patler]

I think he is next to useless, but I think this is part of his shtick.

I have disliked him from my first exposure to his writings. He has done nothing to change my opinion, only to reinforce it.

[George Cumby]

PB and Patler, I'm curious, what is it about him that sets your teeth on edge? Style? Substance? Both?

[Harlan Huckleby]

Aren't we all full of ourselves? I mean, what else could we be filled with? Packing peanuts? chicken entrails?

[digitaldean]

I put him on the same level as the Packer Radio Network post game crew. Greg Matzek & Jeff Falconio have done that to people calling for Capers' head as well.

If you can't take the fans heat, stay out of the proverbial kitchen. I've read some of his stuff on packers.com. Not that impressed.

[woodbuck27]

Aren't we all full of ourselves? I mean, what else could we be filled with? Packing peanuts? chicken entrails?

chicken entrails?

HH aren't they exclusive to chickens?

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I put him on the same level as the Packer Radio Network post game crew. Greg Matzek & Jeff Falconio have done that to people calling for Capers' head as well.

If you can't take the fans heat, stay out of the proverbial kitchen. I've read some of his stuff on packers.com. Not that impressed.

yup, i heard them just flat out hang up on a guy a few weeks back, go to commercial, and not mention it after the break

those guys just seem appalled that anyone could question capers or his defense.

i think it was after the thanksgiving day massacre. how can you not understand why people were pissed at capers after that clusterfuck?

[Patler]

PB and Patler, I'm curious, what is it about him that sets your teeth on edge? Style? Substance? Both?

I would have to say both; but if you ask for an example, I don't have one off-hand. Every time I read something he wrote, or listen to him on air, the whole effort hits me wrong.

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

I think Vic believes nobody has a correct packer answer besides Vic. I don't give a rat shit about Vic.

[George Cumby]

I would have to say both; but if you ask for an example, I don't have one off-hand. Every time I read something he wrote, or listen to him on air, the whole effort hits me wrong.

Fair enough. I don't listen to him, so I just read his column, so intonation, etc, is lost on me. Strangely, inside my head, his voice sounds like Fred Rodgers.

[pbmax]

PB and Patler, I'm curious, what is it about him that sets your teeth on edge? Style? Substance? Both?

He strikes me as the kind of reporter who takes other punditry, tosses it into the air and makes pundit salad. He seems to follow no rhyme nor reason in developing his opinion, its all a hodge podge of common football tropes with no trace of independent analysis. I will be completely honest here, I have heard him more than read him as he is a regular on the Packer pre game broadcast. He often makes NO sense and contradicts himself.

There is a good example of pundit salad in the article wood buck links to. He argues that McCarthy cannot take a knee with 4 seconds left in the half if he wants to deliver a message at halftime about being aggressive on offense. Send a message to your team is a vastly overrated reason to do something, since you should be trying to put the team in a position to win. If this is anything but blather, you need something from McCarthy about how he believes this. He has chosen to protect his defense before*, so sending a negative message isn't a non-starter for him.

Most coaches under a certain time will take a knee there, regardless of message sending. McCarthy loves to double up over halftime, but he better have a heck of an explanation how a run is going to help him score with 4 seconds left or it was meaningless. Ketchman provides none of this, though to be fair he is referring to other material so he might have had more on this elsewhere.


*The penalty on 3rd down in the red zone that he declined to force fourth and short.

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He strikes me as the kind of reporter who takes other punditry, tosses it into the air and makes pundit salad. He seems to follow no rhyme nor reason in developing his opinion, its all a hodge podge of common football tropes with no trace of independent analysis. I will be completely honest here, I have heard him more than read him as he is a regular on the Packer pre game broadcast. He often makes NO sense and contradicts himself.

There is a good example of pundit salad in the article wood buck links to. He argues that McCarthy cannot take a knee with 4 seconds left in the half if he wants to deliver a message at halftime about being aggressive on offense. Send a message to your team is a vastly overrated reason to do something, since you should be trying to put the team in a position to win. If this is anything but blather, you need something from McCarthy about how he believes this. He has chosen to protect his defense before*, so sending a negative message isn't a non-starter for him.

Most coaches under a certain time will take a knee there, regardless of message sending. McCarthy loves to double up over halftime, but he better have a heck of an explanation how a run is going to help him score with 4 seconds left or it was meaningless. Ketchman provides none of this, though to be fair he is referring to other material so he might have had more on this elsewhere.


*The penalty on 3rd down in the red zone that he declined to force fourth and short.

yeah, thats a massive message your sending to the team by running a draw that you know at best will get you 3 or 4 yards to end the half

if you want a message, you try and score there somehow imo. hook and ladder or hail mary or something, not just a give up draw play