Texas Interested In McCarthy?

[run pMc]

M3 is not going anywhere and it's time for people to recognize that he's a pretty damn good coach.

+1

Why would a successful NFL coach take a step down to the college level? Jokes about weather and tex-mex aside, why would Texas be such an appealing job? I can't see it. Can't think of a single time successful NFL HC left to coach college ball. Even Saban got the gig at Bama after flaming out on the NFL level...McCarthy has won a SB. Too much money, and professionally it's the top echelon. Besides, M3 always blathers about how the GB job is the best in the world, etc.

Mike Sherman at UT? Yes. Mike McCarthy? No.

[Joemailman]

I'm not sure how anybody could not be sold on McCarthy. The guy is an EXCELLENT coach. I'm guessing most are Ted Thompson haters who have a hard time giving TT credit for anything. On the other hand, I think the beef with Capers is legit. He has talent on the defense this year, and this defense should be a lot better. I say it's time to go in a new direction next year.

Agree. What I really don't like about this defense is that you have talented young guys like House and Burnett that seem to be regressing. That shouldn't be happening.

Whatever worked in 2010 hasn't really worked since then. Did having HOF-caliber players like Woodson and Collins, plus Tramon having a career year, make Capers defense look better than it really was?

[woodbuck27]

Agree. What I really don't like about this defense is that you have talented young guys like House and Burnett that seem to be regressing. That shouldn't be happening.

Whatever worked in 2010 hasn't really worked since then. Did having HOF-caliber players like Woodson and Collins, plus Tramon having a career year, make Capers defense look better than it really was?

The Packer Defense!

Was it actually working in 2010? NO it wasn't...if you closely examine it.

The best performance by any Packer 'D' in the Ted Thompson...Mike McCarthy Era existed when? The correct answer to that in my study is:* At the end of the 2008 season * when it was allowing just 284 Y/G.

How good was that defense? In comparison that Packer defense compared favorably to the top ranked defenses in the NFL today:

i) The Seattle Seahawks @ nearly 280 Y/G

ii) The Carolina Panthers @ 296 Y/G.

It's not been the same since the beginning of the 2009 season and frankly the Green Bay Packer defense has been suffering severe fallout. In a state of severe decline recovering to something better only to regress again.

Specifically:

That increasing decline in the Packer defense reached a peak (maybe? surprisingly) of almost *** [B]412 Y/G at the end of the 2010 season[/B]. That ***decline compared to * is a decline of a whopping . Yes ! A decline of nearly 45%.

That clearly places exclamation mark (s) after the name Aaron Rodgers !!!

Where does that decline from when the TT & MM Era 'D' measured best, measure today?

Today the Packer 'D' is measured as allowing 376 Y/G or positioned in that decline I refer to at 32 %.

As a member here I cannot offer any consolation to those of you who are possibly confused about the reason (s) for the recurring decline in the Packer defense. I simply realize the immensity of the problem. I will participate in trying to offer some strategy that Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy and his coaching staff may well employ. Of course as the fan (s) frustration isn't out of the question. Neither is a state of consolation to or absolute contentment.

It's clear that the Packer defense has declined to such a proportion that many here at Packerats are at a loss to know where to begin in terms of some solution. A severe decline to where the yards allowed on defense has contributed to the Packer points for being <<< less than >>> the points against or points allowed by the Packer defense.

A study of Toxic Differential reveals that at present the Green Bay Packers measure at -3 and all of that on the Turn Over Differential. The Team... scores a zero in terms of the Big Play Differential. That places the team in the 15th slot or 'just' OK.

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/toxic-differential/2013/

What have we seen of late in terms of any success?

We have watched the Green Bay Packers mount amazing to increasingly amazing comeback's. Amazing comebacks that gave the team 2 wins by a single point margin of victory and a tie. With the state of our defense overall; I'm concerned that those amazing comebacks won't hold any water in terms of the teams future success.

The Packer defense RANKS 26th Overall.

The Packer defense RANKS 22nd Vs the Pass.

The Packer defense RANKS 25th against the run.

The Packer defense surrenders more points that it's offense scores; giving up a 21st Ranked 25.9 Points/Game.

a) What is the reason for this serious dilemma we as Packer fans see clearly with the teams defense?

b) Why has the Packer defense continued in decline (yes); but moreso concerning to severely decline over the past now FIVE (5) seasons?

i) Is it as easy as pointing to 'an impossible to overcome', state of adversity?

ii) Is it the quality of player talent /competency on the teams roster moreso measured in terms of depth?

III) Is it an outright overall failure in Ted Thompson and his Scouting teams ability to locate talent on 'D' for the draft?

iv) Does any strategy of drafting that dilutes the overall quality of the draft ( ie trading down) translate to poorer Roster depth?

V) May we associate TT's selection of high draft pics on the defensive side of the ball with misfortune >>>added adversity?

vi) Does blame fall on Mike McCarthy? Does Mike McCarthy have the parts it really takes to be deemed a truly great NFL Head Coach?

VII) Again in reference to the Packers HC. Is it a specific failure in ways and manners to prepare and motivate the defensive players. To get those players 'FIRED UP' before games and to maintain that tempo or positive attitude that may be pointed to as some degree of blame?

I am sure of this:

The blinds are now off the windows and we have a clear view inside the house.

As Packer fans here at Packerrats we owe it to the great tradition of the Green Bay Packers to try our level and sure best to determine the answers. To do so calmly and objectively.

Thinking:

Maybe this post needs to be on another thread..in any case I'll leave it here and consider placing the above on another thread as well.


GO PACK GO !

[Joemailman]

Post all the meaningless stats you want Woody. In 2010 the Packers defense gave up 15 PPG. They came up with key turnovers in every playoff game. The defense was the biggest reason the Packers won the Super Bowl.

[Freak Out]

Just look at the NFC Championship.

[woodbuck27]

Post all the meaningless stats you want Woody. In 2010 the Packers defense gave up 15 PPG. They came up with key turnovers in every playoff game. The defense was the biggest reason the Packers won the Super Bowl.

Sure Joe...you deem 'the facts' meaningless stat's and act as aggressively disinterested as that serves your needs.

I know what was going on in terms of points allowed by our Defense... whenever ! I can read and make conclusions; even offer suggestions for something more positive for the Packers than denial or shoulder shakes.

Maybe that doesn't describe you Joemailman !?

I certainly know that the defense in regards to points allowed has been in a serious state of regression. I'm too aware of specific details to remain in any denial.

If that serves you and if you feel the need to run your agenda by poo pooing the facts; 'fill your boots' but that will never wash with this Packer fan.

I've decided to get this out front on the forum and use this post as the basis of a study as it's own thread.

Have a nice day.


GO PACK GO !

[Cleft Crusty]

Post all the meaningless stats you want Woody. In 2010 the Packers defense gave up 15 PPG. They came up with key turnovers in every playoff game. The defense was the biggest reason the Packers won the Super Bowl.

Both sides of the ball stepped up to win the 2010 championship. Rodgers was unreal in the Giants game and the Falcons game. He also put the heat on the Bears and Steelers in the NFCCG and the Superbowl. Defense won the season finale and secured victories in two playoff games and the Superbowl. I'd say it both get equal credit. Any spillover could go to Masthay and special teams (season finale and playoff games against Bears). David Akers deserves honorable mention.

[bobblehead]

Agree. What I really don't like about this defense is that you have talented young guys like House and Burnett that seem to be regressing. That shouldn't be happening.

Whatever worked in 2010 hasn't really worked since then. Did having HOF-caliber players like Woodson and Collins, plus Tramon having a career year, make Capers defense look better than it really was?

Collins was a huge loss. Worse yet we haven't even had an adequate replacement. Also, we lost Bishop and haven't had a thumper at MLB since. Think about how weak we got up the middle with the loss of those 2 guys. I said it in another post, we need to gut the middle of this D and rebuild it. Daniels is a good start, but Pickett isn't getting younger and I don't like a single MLB or S on the roster atm.

[bobblehead]

Post all the meaningless stats you want Woody. In 2010 the Packers defense gave up 15 PPG. They came up with key turnovers in every playoff game. The defense was the biggest reason the Packers won the Super Bowl.

This easier to reply to than woody's post. 1 point. The 2010 defense finished many a game on the field by winning...not losing.

[bobblehead]

Both sides of the ball stepped up to win the 2010 championship. Rodgers was unreal in the Giants game and the Falcons game. He also put the heat on the Bears and Steelers in the NFCCG and the Superbowl. Defense won the season finale and secured victories in two playoff games and the Superbowl. I'd say it both get equal credit. Any spillover could go to Masthay and special teams (season finale and playoff games against Bears). David Akers deserves honorable mention.

Defense won that bears game. Rodgers himself said his best play of the game was tackling Uhrlicker after he picked ARod off.

[hoosier]

What I really don't like about this defense is that you have talented young guys like House and Burnett that seem to be regressing. That shouldn't be happening.

Does that reflect on Capers and his scheme or on the position coaches, or is it some combination of those? Do we see regression in all of the defensive position groups or is it just the secondary? My guess is that, in addition to the guys you named, the biggest disappointments on defense this year are the well-documented problems finding a competent safety complement to Burnett and the hot and cold play of Raji. And of course the impact of so many injuries. But while House and Burnett seem to have taken a step back, Shields has made significant progress since early last year, and there seems to be improvement among some key young players on front seven (Daniels, Neal). The regression seems to be position-specific and it's definitely not at universal within the secondary group. Does MM rebuild his entire defense based on that?

[pbmax]

Defense won that bears game. Rodgers himself said his best play of the game was tackling Uhrlicker after he picked ARod off.

I still say that guy has played with undiagnosed concussions and two of them have come against the Bears.

[woodbuck27]

Does that reflect on Capers and his scheme or on the position coaches, or is it some combination of those? Do we see regression in all of the defensive position groups or is it just the secondary? My guess is that, in addition to the guys you named, the biggest disappointments on defense this year are the well-documented problems finding a competent safety complement to Burnett and the hot and cold play of Raji. And of course the impact of so many injuries. But while House and Burnett seem to have taken a step back, Shields has made significant progress since early last year, and there seems to be improvement among some key young players on front seven (Daniels, Neal). The regression seems to be position-specific and it's definitely not at universal within the secondary group. Does MM rebuild his entire defense based on that?

http://www.spotrac.com/free-agents/nfl/green-bay-packers/

You likely already are aware of this yet all the same...Shields and Neal are UFA's. Shields is arguably the Packers most valuable CB. I read a rumor that he might cost at least in the region of $40 M$. Neal offers the Packers an DL/OLB hybride player.

CB Tramon Williams is possibly going to come in expensive. TT won't over pay for him.

Casey Hayward lost an important year in his transition to the NFL...that loss is unfortunateas overall he looked fine in his rookie year.

Jarrett Bush is the fly and the Packers the fly paper. My guess...he'll stick around.

The younger fellas back there (Davon House @ 6'- 1" and Chris Banjo 5'-10" may simply need time. Micah Hyde (6' - 0" ... OK).

Support for UFA S MD Jennings is declining; there is much hope for S Sean Richardson ( nice size at 6'- 2' and 216 lbs). His motor seems good but we need to see more of him.

LB: Where/how does the DC use CM III and Nick Perry? AJ Hawk has been trying very hard this season and again my guess...he's going to retire a Packer. Jamari Lattimore and Rob Francois are UFA's.

The DL wil be solved with available youth and additions I expect. UFA's BJ Raji wil be retained if he gets his way in terms of the BIG Contract and a better role. I don't like this fella as he's being used. Maybe Ryan Pickett is done and the logical move is Raji to NT. I have no idea about this guy and I'm not in his fan club.

UFA Ryan Pickett is a leader and works hard..age (34 Yrs now and with BJ Raji his role? ... Cost !?) ). UFA Johnny Jolly will be better next season. I lke his attitude. UFA C> J> Wilson...TT knows.

The young fellas ...are doing OK. I like Mike Daniels work ethic.

I have to go to supper. I went through this fast.

PACKERS !



Not many support MD Jennings and

[woodbuck27]

Looking at this whole Aaron Rodgers collarbone injury and followup:

Hindsight is 20-20. I may be seeing lots in relation to how this matter was handled between MM and TT. Things that aren't clearly evident. I speculate might take time to reveal themselves.

Maybe MM and TT havn't been as close as they could have been in terms of communication on this matter. I observed MM look not appearing as strong as he should have been before the press/media and this issue.

Where was Ted Thompson throughout this whole thing?

Did you (the Packer fan) see TT and hands on in any part of the Aaron Rodgers loss to the team?

Has TT been available to us the fans; forthcoming about what specifically he feels about Aaron Rodgers and this collarbone injury?

Does Ted Thompson truly care about anyone but his own privacy?

Does Ted Thompson truly care about MM>>>the Coach's>>>the Roster>>>the Packer fans?

Maybe the heat that MM had to deal with in this whole matter overall has soured him and has even caused him to almost seem repetitive in his responses?

Maybe MM might enjoy another environment to work in?

Further Comment woodbuck27:

For those of you that deem it necessary:

This isn't any silly hate TT thing. This is a common sense concern.



Where is Ted Thompson !?

[Fritz]

Looking at this whole Aaron Rodgers and his collarbone injury and followup:

Hindsight is 20-20. I may be seeing lots in relation to how this matter was handled between MM and TT. Things that aren't clearly evident and I speculate might take time to reveal themselves.

Maybe MM and TT havn't been as close as they could have been in terms of communication. I observed lots that made MM look not as strong as he should have been before the press/media and this issue.

Where was Ted Thompson throughout this whole thing?

Did you see TT and hands on in any part of the Aaron Rodgers loss to the team? Has TT been available to us the fans and forthcoming about what specifically he feels about Aaron Rodgers?

Does Ted Thompson truly care about anyone but his own privacy?

Does Ted Thompson truly care about MM>>>the Coach's>>>the Roster>>>the Packer fans?

Maybe the heat that MM had to deal with in this whole matter overall has soured him and has even caused him to almost seem repetitive in his responses?

Maybe MM might enjoy another environment to work in?

Further Comment woodbuck27:

For those of you that deem it necessary:

This isn't any silly hate TT thing. This is a common sense concern.

Posts like this provide me with a sense of relief, Woodrow. For a while you were somewhat articulate, and I feared the Apocalypse was nigh.