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[Patler]

were roster sizes the same back then? was it still 52 or 53 whatever the hell it is now?

i know you didn't have specialized kickers and punters, and i doubt you had a guy who was just your long snapper. did they have pass rush DE's and run stuffing DE's?

i'm guessing if roster sizes were smaller then you wouldn't have had any of that

In the early '60s, rosters were at 36 or 38, I don't remember exactly. In the mid '60s it went up to 40, and stayed at 40 for a long time.

[George Cumby]

Interceptions were much more common back then. Starr's reputation was that he was very accurate and avoided interceptions more than most. DBs could brawl with the WRs all the way down the field. Pass interference applied only from after the QB released the ball, and both players had every right to go after the ball when it got there. So play was rough both at the start of a route and at the end of the route. Pass interference was very seldom called.

Which game do you prefer? That all out brawl or today's wide open game?

[pbmax]

In answer to your questions: Yes, absolutely yes, not usually, and No.

But that sort of proves the point I was making. People complain about the play calls, but what they are really upset about most of the time are the play results.

On the three and out series, when Aikman just about had a nervous breakdown, if Romo had hit DB for a TD on 1st down, not even Aikman would have complained about the call. Since it was incomplete and stopped the clock, Aikman bitched. If it's a bad call, it's a bad call regardless of the outcome. It's not a bad call because Romo missed an open receiver and a good call if he hit him.

Now I will grant you that what is good and what is bad can vary depending on the ability of the athletes involved. But Romo is supposed to be one of the upper shelf QBs. Those were not particularly difficult throws.

Ahh. I was not worried about the play calls overall in the second half for them. I was criticizing Romo for not simply taking the sack on that specific play (Shields INT) not the audible.

Similar to trying to pass for a TD but willing to settle for a FG in the red zone. Throw it if open to the back of the end zone. If its not open, throw it into the stands. The only thing that CAN'T happen is an INT.

[red]

Which game do you prefer? That all out brawl or today's wide open game?

i think i would rather have the all out brawl. at least both sides are able to compete

defenses have been so neutered, thats its starting to seem, not scripted, but almost predetermined. the offense is always gonna win. which teams offense is able to put up the most points. defenses just seem to be there to make the offenses look better. almost WWE like imo

[Patler]

Ahh. I was not worried about the play calls overall in the second half for them. I was criticizing Romo for not simply taking the sack on that specific play (Shields INT) not the audible.

Similar to trying to pass for a TD but willing to settle for a FG in the red zone. Throw it if open to the back of the end zone. If its not open, throw it into the stands. The only thing that CAN'T happen is an INT.

I agree.

[Fritz]

How many times have I screamed at Favre or Rodgers for throwing a bomb when only a yard was needed, only to have the pass completed for a huge gain? This is one reason I'm best off watching games alone.

[Patler]

Which game do you prefer? That all out brawl or today's wide open game?

i think i would rather have the all out brawl. at least both sides are able to compete

defenses have been so neutered, thats its starting to seem, not scripted, but almost predetermined. the offense is always gonna win. which teams offense is able to put up the most points. defenses just seem to be there to make the offenses look better. almost WWE like imo

I feel a lot like Red. I enjoy defensive battles in all sports. Scoring should be a real accomplishment. All of the passing/receiving/scoring records are becoming irrelevant. 300 yard games for a QB are no big deal anymore. No sense in getting excited unless your QB is above 40 TDs, or near 70% completion.

[Patler]

How many times have I screamed at Favre or Rodgers for throwing a bomb when only a yard was needed, only to have the pass completed for a huge gain? This is one reason I'm best off watching games alone.

In other words, you are a typical fan!

[Fritz]

Yes. I scream when the bomb fails, and complain bitterly about the decision, but when it works I pretend I wasn't aghast at the call.

[Freak Out]

I like the old rules for the most part.....I HATE that it's come down to guys looking for interference calls every incomplete pass. That's as bad as the wussy soccer injuries you see.

[George Cumby]

I feel a lot like Red. I enjoy defensive battles in all sports. Scoring should be a real accomplishment. All of the passing/receiving/scoring records are becoming irrelevant. 300 yard games for a QB are no big deal anymore. No sense in getting excited unless your QB is above 40 TDs, or near 70% completion.

Me, as well. Like Fritz said in another thread, I like the hard fought battle, the epic clashes, the slug feasts with two teams really taking the iron to one another.

[woodbuck27]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1895023-dont-get-your-hopes-up-jason-garrett-will-never-learn-to-run-consistently

Don't Get Your Hopes Up: Jason Garrett Will Never Learn to Run Consistently

By Brad Gagnon (NFC East Lead Writer) on December 19, 2013

GO PACK GO !

[KYPack]

were roster sizes the same back then? was it still 52 or 53 whatever the hell it is now?

i know you didn't have specialized kickers and punters, and i doubt you had a guy who was just your long snapper. did they have pass rush DE's and run stuffing DE's?

i'm guessing if roster sizes were smaller then you wouldn't have had any of that

The 60's started off with rosters of 33 players. In 70, it was 40 guys.

There were no long snappers, one of your centers snapped on kicks, IOW he simply snapped the ball longer when you were on 4th down.

Starters played on kicking downs and many teams lost key players to injury on what is now "special teams" plays.

Red the season you named, '67 was one of Starr's poorest, check out '66 for a career year. Starr played most of '67 with broken ribs, but it never appeared in the media.

[Teamcheez1]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...n-consistently

Don't Get Your Hopes Up: Jason Garrett Will Never Learn to Run Consistently

By Brad Gagnon (NFC East Lead Writer) on December 19, 2013

GO PACK GO !

Mike Tomlin will not make the same mistake.

[pbmax]

Mike Tomlin will not make the same mistake.

Tomlin will instead waste TimeOuts trying to gain 2 yards at midfield on 2nd down with challenges.