Another drama queen QB

[Packman_26]

I'm not trying to be "right" or one up anyone. I'm just saying that ignoring the precedent is unwise.

You are declaring a precedent without having an understanding of all the variables. Do we also have a precedent on broken legs? Sherrod missed about 2 years with a broken leg, does that mean that any of we "fuckers or media" shouldn't choose to believe that there is any chance of Cobb playing before then?
Injuries have different serveries and every person is different. It's foolish to think that knowing they both had broken collarbones paints a clear enough picture to make such statements.
Also since there is no chance that Rodgers comes back even a week before Woodson did, isn't the inverse also true? That would mean that there is no chance of him taking any weeks beyond that. How ridiculous does that sound?

[Cleft Crusty]

Injuries have different serveries

[woodbuck27]

But what if the bears and lions lose also?

Hi Mad:

Very possibly (in the mind of TT and DR. Patrick McKenzie) Aaron Rodgers injury status and value to the team, has nothing at all to do with how the Lions or Bears perform this week Mad.

Actually that ....within any reason seems to be the exact case.

Looking at that negative for both teams ie Bears and Lions losing only eliminates the Lions from post season play.

It will be 48 days since Aaron Rodgers was lost and the game Vs the Steelers this Sunday.

Add 7 days and it will be 55 days a week from Sunday>>> @ Chicago Bears....or 8 weeks (minus 1 day). The number of days doesn't infer that there is any relationship between any time and AR's clearance to return as the Packer starting QB.

That may indeed mean something/may not 'in some specific terms' >>>>to Dr. Patrick McKenzie>>>

>>> Ted Thompson>>>>MM>>> Aaron Rodgers>>>The Packers Team.

As the fan and in final analysis today. . . . it's all a mystery.

Aaron will be back when he's ruled OK to return. That's clearly when Dr. Patrick McKenzie signs off on that and declares that his last diagnosis confirmed to him that AR is fully healed and good to go.

Anything else and niiiiggghht ! NOPE!

[Packman_26]

*severities. I got autocorrected, forgive me.

[CaptainKickass]

You are declaring a precedent without having an understanding of all the variables. Do we also have a precedent on broken legs? Sherrod missed about 2 years with a broken leg, does that mean that any of we "fuckers or media" shouldn't choose to believe that there is any chance of Cobb playing before then?
Injuries have different serveries and every person is different. It's foolish to think that knowing they both had broken collarbones paints a clear enough picture to make such statements.
Also since there is no chance that Rodgers comes back even a week before Woodson did, isn't the inverse also true? That would mean that there is no chance of him taking any weeks beyond that. How ridiculous does that sound?

I declared nothing except to say the Green Bay Packers, McKenzie in particular, handled a "star" player with a similar injury in a certain time frame. It's more than reasonable to apply that same approximate time frame to this situation.

I did not say there is "no chance" he comes back before then so stop reading absolutes into my posts and reacting with your feelings. Just set your expectations according to past precedent. Some of "you fuckers and the media" have been acting like Rodgers could come back as early as 2 weeks after his injury.

Want more? How about next time you spend 2 minutes gathering some facts?

Quick web searches provide the following:

Tony Romo had a broken collarbone in 2010 and missed 10 games

other NFL players have missed anywhere from 6-12 weeks from broken collarbone injuries

Here's an actual NFL study on the matter.

http://ajs.sagepub.com/content/38/10/2092.abstract

Results: Nineteen players sustained a middle-third clavicle fracture over the 5-year period. Six fractures were nondisplaced or minimally displaced. All 6 healed at an average time of 7.3 weeks. Thirteen fractures were 100% displaced. Six of the 13 underwent acute surgical fixation that resulted in fracture healing without complication at an average of 8.8 weeks. The remaining 7 players with a completely displaced fracture were initially treated nonoperatively. Three of these 7 healed clinically without sequela at an average of 13.3 weeks after injury; however, 4 players sustained a refracture within 1 year of the initial injury.

Conclusion: Over the past 5 years, nearly 50% of NFL players with a completely displaced middle-third clavicle fracture were treated successfully with acute surgical fixation without sequela and healed at an average of 8.8 weeks. Three of these players were able to return to play during the same season.

^ that's 3 out of 19 players.

[mission]

That's not good, CK.

[MadtownPacker]

Dammit I like the arguing but I lost track of who was saying what since you "fuckers and the media" made so many long post. Bunch of Woodbuck wannabes.

[CaptainKickass]

That's not good, CK.

Facts are neither good or bad. But I would agree that it doesn't bode well for Rodgers return. Very low on the "bode" scale.

Dammit I like the arguing but I lost track of who was saying what since you "fuckers and the media" made so many long post. Bunch of Woodbuck wannabes.

I'll try to simplify it for you Mad.

1.) "Some of you fuckers and the media" are acting on feelings and being herded by emotion fueled by the media week after week.

2.) I'm saying, temper expectations with logic, facts and evidence.

There's really no argument. But, because I kick ass, I can leave you with some insight on what an argument may or may not be:

[woodbuck27]

Hi Mad:

Very possibly (in the mind of TT and DR. Patrick McKenzie) Aaron Rodgers injury status and value to the team, has nothing at all to do with how the Lions or Bears perform this week Mad.

Actually that ....within any reason seems to be the exact case.

Looking at that negative for both teams ie Bears and Lions losing only eliminates the Lions from post season play.

It will be 48 days since Aaron Rodgers was lost and the game Vs the Steelers this Sunday.

Add 7 days and it will be 55 days a week from Sunday>>> @ Chicago Bears....or 8 weeks (minus 1 day). The number of days doesn't infer that there is any relationship between any time and AR's clearance to return as the Packer starting QB.

That may indeed mean something/may not 'in some specific terms' >>>>to Dr. Patrick McKenzie>>>

>>> Ted Thompson>>>>MM>>> Aaron Rodgers>>>The Packers Team.

As the fan and in final analysis today. . . . it's all a mystery.

Aaron will be back when he's ruled OK to return. That's clearly when Dr. Patrick McKenzie signs off on that and declares that his last diagnosis confirmed to him that AR is fully healed and good to go.

Anything else and niiiiggghht ! NOPE!

Maybe it's getting close to he's back as I just saw a Presser with MM and he seemed a tad more upbeat and that in terms of the results he's seeing of AR in practise.

It's really what I wrote above and maybe another MM smoke screen....tomorrow we find out the latest.

It's seeming to go now in terms of MM from week to week >>> day to day.

Encouraging? I don't have a clue.

He'll return when DOC McKenzie decides that's OK. . . . End of story.

I'm simply waiting to get past this week and Pittsburgh Steelers>>>The Chicago Bears.

PACKERS !

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I declared nothing except to say the Green Bay Packers, McKenzie in particular, handled a "star" player with a similar injury in a certain time frame. It's more than reasonable to apply that same approximate time frame to this situation.

I did not say there is "no chance" he comes back before then so stop reading absolutes into my posts and reacting with your feelings. Just set your expectations according to past precedent. Some of "you fuckers and the media" have been acting like Rodgers could come back as early as 2 weeks after his injury.

Want more? How about next time you spend 2 minutes gathering some facts?

Quick web searches provide the following:





Here's an actual NFL study on the matter.

http://ajs.sagepub.com/content/38/10/2092.abstract

^ that's 3 out of 19 players.

gotta call you out here capn. your conclusion might be wrong

you said 3 or 19 players were able to return in the same season. but the conclusion only talks about the 13 guys that have the "completely displaced middle-third clavicle fracture"

so only 3 out of those 13 guys were able to come back in the same season

it doesn't say how many of the 6 guys with non-displaced breaks (which is what a-rod has, we think) were able to return in the same season. all it says about those six guys is that the average for them is 7.3 weeks

interesting that in the same conclusion from that page, it says that the guys that didn't have surgery and re-fractured the collarbone within a year, ended up missing an average of 1.5 season. even though rodgers does not have a displaced fracture, a re-brake is something that we need to avoid at all costs and is the reason for him being held out until it is completely healed. if he comes back too soon and suffers a re-fracture, then part of next season may be in jeopardy

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Maybe it's getting close to he's back as I just saw a Presser with MM and he seemed a tad more upbeat and that in terms of the results he's seeing of AR in practise.

It's really what I wrote above and maybe another MM smoke screen....tomorrow we find out the latest.

It's seeming to go now in terms of MM from week to week >>> day to day.

Encouraging? I don't have a clue.

He'll return when DOC McKenzie decides that's OK. . . . End of story.

I'm simply waiting to get past this week and Pittsburgh Steelers>>>The Chicago Bears.

PACKERS !

it doesn't matter one bit how a-rod looks in practice or how he "feel". all that matters is the x-ray at this point.

and IMO he shouldn't even be practicing. if you have something that is trying to mend and you keep moving the thing around, you're only going to prolong the healing time

[CaptainKickass]

gotta call you out here capn. your conclusion might be wrong

My math may be off but my point stands. And that point is to just temper all the fucking bullshit hysteria and rabble rousing with some facts. At least you bothered to read it Red.

Believe me, I want Rodgers back as much as anyone.

[hoosier]

I declared nothing except to say the Green Bay Packers, McKenzie in particular, handled a "star" player with a similar injury in a certain time frame. It's more than reasonable to apply that same approximate time frame to this situation.

I did not say there is "no chance" he comes back before then so stop reading absolutes into my posts and reacting with your feelings. Just set your expectations according to past precedent. Some of "you fuckers and the media" have been acting like Rodgers could come back as early as 2 weeks after his injury.

Want more? How about next time you spend 2 minutes gathering some facts?

Quick web searches provide the following:





Here's an actual NFL study on the matter.

http://ajs.sagepub.com/content/38/10/2092.abstract

^ that's 3 out of 19 players.

I think the prognosis for distal fracture is different from middle third. Are you assuming Rodgers's injury happened in the middle third?

[Packman_26]

I did not say there is "no chance" he comes back before then so stop reading absolutes into my posts and reacting with your feelings.

I don't know why any of you fuckers or the media choose to believe that there is any chance of Rodgers playing before then.

If you overstated, cool. No harm, no foul but lets not pretend here. Don't paint me as someone that was reading too much into your original post.
And your study says that non-displaced clavicle breaks healed in an average time of 7.3 weeks, doesn't that lend itself more to the argument than it can be less than 9 weeks than that it'll take precisely 9 weeks?

[Freak Out]

My math may be off but my point stands. And that point is to just temper all the fucking bullshit hysteria and rabble rousing with some facts. At least you bothered to read it Red.

Believe me, I want Rodgers back as much as anyone.

Sorry...this is PackerRats.