Dear Ted---FREE RODGERS

[Bretsky]

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/236769251.html

Interesting blog that confrms what I have thought all along.
I've been listening to all of the GB media guys and there is only one take
The term orginazational decision was used 9 times by MM; listen to his tone
Listen to AROD's tone.

Clearly GB can hide behind the team doctors and call it whatever they want to call it.

MM and AROD want to see him on the field; TT and "maybe" the doctors want him shut down

I'm a mortgage loan officer; if a deal is not going to get approved and I think I'm going to take any flak I can cop out of giving a good explanation and blame the underwriter...or Fannie Mae. works prety dam good when I choose to go that route.

Right now the team doctors is the underwriter and Fannie Mae. And IMO MM is Ted's mouthpiece.

I also don't buy the this team is hopeless and has not chance so why bother. Baltimore needed to convert on 3rd and over 25 last year to just get into the playoffs. They came limping in and were really considered an afterthought. I don't think anybody in here saw the Giants going on their Super Bowl runs, and to be quite honest they year we won it all not many would have said we were the best team.

LET US TRY !

[woodbuck27]

Yes to the part about the Packers having a real chance. No matter how slim the math experts set that at >>> we fans simply need to have hope.

I hate the news of these latest injuries that are season ending and especially the loss of Johnny Jolly ...... stings ! That certainly is a big loss to the team. He's a leader for the TEAM and a playmaker on 'D'

I say there's a good reason that Aaron Rodgers cannot play. I just hope that that reason isn't too strange and I'll elect to keep all that simple.

He's injured and there's too much damage to afford to play him! Too much risk to him and the Green Bay Packers.

There's nothing too deep going on with that story; except a few very disappointed people and maybe Aaron Rodgers deserves to top that list.

[Joemailman]

[George Cumby]

If TT is making the call based on the team MD's best medical opinion and it for the Team's best long term interests, I don't have a problem with it.

[MadtownPacker]

I'm going to listen to your sig and not argue with you.

Free Rodgers!!

[Bretsky]

IMO he's making the call based on what he thinks is the teams best interests. Not buying into the medical jargon anymore.
They interviewed another team's physician and he noted most players return from this at about 80%; he's there.

I go for the playoffs............but I do see the other side

But if you are going to say that.....let's call a spade a spade and shut him down for the rest of the year right frickin now. And stop using the not cleared to play bullshit

[George Cumby]

I'm going to listen to your sig and not argue with you.

Free Rodgers!!

Lol!

Well played.

[Fosco33]

I think it's painfully obvious that on the day of the injury - they knew exactly the timetable they were operating - which is 9 weeks. The reason they haven't IRd him is they put Cobb in the designated to return bucket and we are not out of the playoffs. And they gain nothing by telling teams that he's only eligible for playoff return. The irrational side of us fans wants to believe some of the crap they feed is true (looks good, wants to play, etc, etc.). I don't really believe the Steelers have game planned for Rodgers after he was taking snaps from the PS center. It's a ruse people.

If we happen to win Sunday - Arod 'may' be able to play vs. Chicago (54 days)- but I would actually expect it'll be in wild card which is a long shot (but still a shot).

[pbmax]

IMO he's making the call based on what he thinks is the teams best interests. Not buying into the medical jargon anymore.
They interviewed another team's physician and he noted most players return from this at about 80%; he's there.

I go for the playoffs............but I do see the other side

But if you are going to say that.....let's call a spade a spade and shut him down for the rest of the year right frickin now. And stop using the not cleared to play bullshit

How do you know he is 80%?

And how is it in the team's best interest to hold out Rodgers? I don't buy that Ted is playing to move up 6 slots in the draft.

We also know nothing about what the Doctor thinks. Consider this quote from JSO about a small, hairline fracture:

The telling sign both doctors said will be when McKenzie can push down on the fracture without Rodgers feeling any pain. With hairline fractures, X-rays don't do a good job of showing healing and sometimes time becomes the measuring device.

"Mainly it will be based on his exam, which would mean he’d have full range of motion and no tenderness," O'Grady said, which will robbbly happen pretty quickly."A lot of this is going to be the physiology of bone healing. Even with a professional athlete you just can’t speed that process."

Two weeks ago he was in pain while practicing. According to that quote, that might mean he has MORE than a hairline fracture since he was at 5 weeks removed from the initial injury. So its clearly more serious than the description of a hairline crack in the article.

The last two weeks he has reported less discomfort in practice which would seem to indicate he has improved. But if its more than a hairline fracture, or if there is edema there, how close is he to completely healed?

The only piece of this that doesn't fit is the original scans. The first indicted something either unknown or undetectable. The second was more certain. The article says this might be a good sign and McCarthy was clearly happier. Did he simply go from not knowing to hearing he would be back this season? Still one week to go before that.

[pbmax]

I think it's painfully obvious that on the day of the injury - they knew exactly the timetable they were operating - which is 9 weeks. The reason they haven't IRd him is they put Cobb in the designated to return bucket and we are not out of the playoffs. And they gain nothing by telling teams that he's only eligible for playoff return. The irrational side of us fans wants to believe some of the crap they feed is true (looks good, wants to play, etc, etc.). I don't really believe the Steelers have game planned for Rodgers after he was taking snaps from the PS center. It's a ruse people.

If we happen to win Sunday - Arod 'may' be able to play vs. Chicago (54 days)- but I would actually expect it'll be in wild card which is a long shot (but still a shot).

The article I linked to above said the prognosis changed from Sunday to Monday with additional scans. So they might have known early, but not on Game Day.

If they knew 9 weeks, it seems they didn't tell M3 or Rodgers.

[red]

i think he should get a second opinion from outside the organization

maybe TT feels that the shit o-line he assembled couldn't protect a-rod, so he's protecting him the only way he can. maybe TT knows his shitty team can't win the Super bowl, so why risk anything?

a-rod could get reinjured. any player can be injured on any play

you gonna hold out jordy nelson because he might get hurt this week? maybe thats why so many of our players have pissed so much time the last few years, they aren't hurt, the team is protecting them

[Patler]

So, am I supposed to be upset at TT for thinking about a players long-term best interest rather than the team's immediate best interest?

Am I supposed to suspect TT of intentionally sabotaging the teams chances to win games?

Am I supposed to encourage or expect TT to ignore the sound medical advice of the team physician and play Rodgers anyway?

If anything, this situation has increased my respect for him.

[red]

you don't win super bowls by having the healthiest players

these are pro football players, they are always hurt, they need to play hurt sometimes

hey having over cautious doctors is great for the players, but it puts us at a huge disadvantage to every other team who's doctors maybe let their players back out on the field when they're 80-90%

and what has being overly cautious gotten us? we're still lossing guys like collins and finley to career ending injuries. and i also now have to wonder if nick could have come back? richardson is now back with the same injury, no? nick wanted to keep playing, but the team told him that they wouldn't risk playing him

maybe they were over cautious there too, and it might have been nice for the players long term health, but it didn't help the team win. maybe nick comes back and takes another bad shot to the head? the chances are probably just as good that he comes back and blows out a knee or suffers a massive concusion

its football, there are risks, there always are. if the player wants to risk it, then let him play

[digitaldean]

you don't win super bowls by having the healthiest players

these are pro football players, they are always hurt, they need to play hurt sometimes

hey having over cautious doctors is great for the players, but it puts us at a huge disadvantage to every other team who's doctors maybe let their players back out on the field when they're 80-90%

and what has being overly cautious gotten us? we're still lossing guys like collins and finley to career ending injuries. and i also now have to wonder if nick could have come back? richardson is now back with the same injury, no? nick wanted to keep playing, but the team told him that they wouldn't risk playing him

maybe they were over cautious there too, and it might have been nice for the players long term health, but it didn't help the team win. maybe nick comes back and takes another bad shot to the head? the chances are probably just as good that he comes back and blows out a knee or suffers a massive concusion

its football, there are risks, there always are. if the player wants to risk it, then let him play

Quite frankly, if there is a risk of permanent damage sit him. Otherwise, play him if the coach and player are in agreement. Love listening to the boneheads on sports talk radio shows calling in saying Brett would have played, etc. IT IS TT AND McKenzie that are holding him out. Just hate this gamesmanship crap. Put him on IR if it's that freaking bad! Otherwise play him.

[gbgary]

rolling the dice with flynn. wants one more win before bringing him back for chi.