Dear Ted---FREE RODGERS

[Rodgers12]

rolling the dice with flynn. wants one more win before bringing him back for chi.

I would like to see Flynn play a complete game, and not just show up in the 2nd half. Oh well. All's well that ends well, I guess.

[Rodgers12]

you don't win super bowls by having the healthiest players

these are pro football players, they are always hurt, they need to play hurt sometimes

hey having over cautious doctors is great for the players, but it puts us at a huge disadvantage to every other team who's doctors maybe let their players back out on the field when they're 80-90%

and what has being overly cautious gotten us? we're still lossing guys like collins and finley to career ending injuries. and i also now have to wonder if nick could have come back? richardson is now back with the same injury, no? nick wanted to keep playing, but the team told him that they wouldn't risk playing him

maybe they were over cautious there too, and it might have been nice for the players long term health, but it didn't help the team win. maybe nick comes back and takes another bad shot to the head? the chances are probably just as good that he comes back and blows out a knee or suffers a massive concusion

its football, there are risks, there always are. if the player wants to risk it, then let him play

I echo.

[woodbuck27]

The article I linked to above said the prognosis changed from Sunday to Monday with additional scans. So they might have known early, but not on Game Day.

If they knew 9 weeks, it seems they didn't tell M3 or Rodgers.

Yes or.... Mike McCarthy has been appointed to take all the heat and ...

** at the same time left out of the loop RE: medical specifics..

** What might be deemed evidence of this based entirely on observation?

A) Mike McCarthy reports it's week to week >>> then day to day. Why? Doesn't MM know?

B) Mike McCarthy seems definitely more upbeat on Thursday this week reporting on how good AR looks in practise. Does MM hope he'll be cleared? I think so and if he was clearly in the loop we wouldn't have seen that small glimmer of hope or anticipation in his voice on Thursday.

That 'glint of optimism' contrasted with the way and manner that I (maybe? you) observed in Aaron Rodgers when he spoke on Thursday. Aaron Rodgers didn't demonstrate 'any sense' that he was coming back imminently.

Does such a reaction demonstrate to you a man that really has a clue about what's going on?

I mean that in terms of both Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers. I don't believe that either was privy to much detail.

Mike McCarthy knows as far as the media is concerned he has the burden of the questions. MM tells Aaron Rodgers to address any question specific to his return to him (MM).

MM takes all the heat.

The pressure on MM is obviously severe as he's crankier than hell. That man seldom smiles since Aaron Rodgers went down.

All the crap funnels through MM.

That fits with AR saying things like .."Ahh you'll have to check with Mike on that."

Where has Ted Thompson been through all this?

This has been a difficult time for Aaron Rodgers and Mike McCarthy and the coaching staff and the Packer players and the Packer fans.

Where is Ted Thompson?

[mraynrand]

LET MY QB GO!!!

[bobblehead]

you don't win super bowls by having the healthiest players

these are pro football players, they are always hurt, they need to play hurt sometimes

hey having over cautious doctors is great for the players, but it puts us at a huge disadvantage to every other team who's doctors maybe let their players back out on the field when they're 80-90%

and what has being overly cautious gotten us? we're still lossing guys like collins and finley to career ending injuries. and i also now have to wonder if nick could have come back? richardson is now back with the same injury, no? nick wanted to keep playing, but the team told him that they wouldn't risk playing him

maybe they were over cautious there too, and it might have been nice for the players long term health, but it didn't help the team win. maybe nick comes back and takes another bad shot to the head? the chances are probably just as good that he comes back and blows out a knee or suffers a massive concusion

its football, there are risks, there always are. if the player wants to risk it, then let him play

NIck was free to sign with anyone. No other team was willing to put him on the field either.

[packrulz]

I don't think they really need ARod to win this game. On the frozen Tundra, you pound the ball with Lacy and toss short passes= Win. Flynn is picking up the offense better and is getting to his 3rd-4th reads completing passes, he will be a valuable back up in the playoffs. Besides, all it would take is one good body slam on the frozen Tundra and Arod could be hurt even worse, so why take that chance?

[sheepshead]

So, am I supposed to be upset at TT for thinking about a players long-term best interest rather than the team's immediate best interest?

Am I supposed to suspect TT of intentionally sabotaging the teams chances to win games?

Am I supposed to encourage or expect TT to ignore the sound medical advice of the team physician and play Rodgers anyway?

If anything, this situation has increased my respect for him.

[woodbuck27]

I don't think they really need ARod to win this game. On the frozen Tundra, you pound the ball with Lacy and toss short passes= Win. Flynn is picking up the offense better and is getting to his 3rd-4th reads completing passes, he will be a valuable back up in the playoffs. Besides, all it would take is one good body slam on the frozen Tundra and Arod could be hurt even worse, so why take that chance?

Why not simply then finish it by placing Aaron Rodgers on IR?

[woodbuck27]

So, am I supposed to be upset at TT for thinking about a players long-term best interest rather than the team's immediate best interest?

Am I supposed to suspect TT of intentionally sabotaging the teams chances to win games?

Am I supposed to encourage or expect TT to ignore the sound medical advice of the team physician and play Rodgers anyway?

If anything, this situation has increased my respect for him.

Why did MM have to absorb all the heat and often look so uncomfortable and even rather foolish at times? You saw the video of his pressers . Maybe you didn't?... and might Patler. Mike McCarthy actually lost it on occasion ( seriously lost it with the media on one occasion ) and you might know what I refer to Patler.

Where was Ted Thompson in terms of communication and any visability in terms of the Packer players (His Roster)and us ..... the Packer fans?

Where was/is Ted Thompson?

If you had his responsibilities? Would you act as Ted Thompson does?

Please Patler...don't treat that as a moot question. Place yourself in that chair and for some time wear that hat as the Green Bay Packer GM. Be as I am here...specific to the Aaron Rodgers injury and all follow-up to this second.

Thanks ...have a wonderful weekend.

PS:

Stay away from the Packer thread this Sunday please, Eh.

[Bossman641]

you don't win super bowls by having the healthiest players

these are pro football players, they are always hurt, they need to play hurt sometimes

hey having over cautious doctors is great for the players, but it puts us at a huge disadvantage to every other team who's doctors maybe let their players back out on the field when they're 80-90%

and what has being overly cautious gotten us? we're still lossing guys like collins and finley to career ending injuries. and i also now have to wonder if nick could have come back? richardson is now back with the same injury, no? nick wanted to keep playing, but the team told him that they wouldn't risk playing him

maybe they were over cautious there too, and it might have been nice for the players long term health, but it didn't help the team win. maybe nick comes back and takes another bad shot to the head? the chances are probably just as good that he comes back and blows out a knee or suffers a massive concusion

its football, there are risks, there always are. if the player wants to risk it, then let him play

Collins had a C3 fusion I believe. Richardson had a C5. As Bobble stated, no other team has signed Collins either

[pbmax]

Collins had a C3 fusion I believe. Richardson had a C5. As Bobble stated, no other team has signed Collins either

Yes, this. Collins injury carried with it greater risk than Finley's or Richardson's because of where it was.

[pbmax]

They want one point of contact for public statements by the Packers. McCarthy is obligated to meet with the press. It was always going to be McCarthy out there. Same as it was for Woodson and Collins.

The Packers see no need to correct for perception based on what they certainly view as erroneous reports like the original Ian Rapapport 3 week estimate.

They don't want the opposition to know when he is going to play. They don't want the team to go into the tank in the regular season if the original prognosis was the Bears game all along.

Putting Ted out there will increase the number of questions, not answer them. They obviously feel he can come back this season (maybe post session) or they wouldn't go through this week to week.

[woodbuck27]

They want one point of contact for public statements by the Packers. McCarthy is obligated to meet with the press. It was always going to be McCarthy out there. Same as it was for Woodson and Collins.

The Packers see no need to correct for perception based on what they certainly view as erroneous reports like the original Ian Rapapport 3 week estimate.

They don't want the opposition to know when he is going to play. They don't want the team to go into the tank in the regular season if the original prognosis was the Bears game all along.

Putting Ted out there will increase the number of questions, not answer them. They obviously feel he can come back this season (maybe post session) or they wouldn't go through this week to week.

Thanks pbmax.

Somehow it seems to me clearly that MM wasn't fully in the loop and any extent of Aaron Rodgers injury. I don't believe that MM had a full heads up there pbmax.

There's over the top evidence to support my position.

This is directed to those of you here that attack anyone and such questioning/criticisms:

I do NOT want to argue this or have to deal with insult/insolence. Keep some composure and post with some manners /respect.

I prefer that we discuss it calmly.

GO PACKERS !

[pbmax]

Thanks pbmax.

Somehow it seems to me clearly that MM wasn't fully in the loop and any extent of Aaron Rodgers injury. I don't believe that MM had a full heads up there pbmax.

There's over the top evidence to support my position.

This is directed to those of you here that attack anyone and such questioning/criticisms:

I do NOT want to argue this or have to deal with insult/insolence. Keep some composure and post with some manners /respect.

I prefer that we discuss it calmly.

GO PACKERS !

I disagree, though I think now there is now a difference of opinion regarding his ability to play.

M3 and Rodgers have been on the same page almost every week; that its a significant injury, he is being evaluated week to week and that they think he can play this year. Rodgers in particular dismissed any question about the injury being minor and short term (original 3 week estimates). McCarthy, until the last two weeks, hasn't given Rodgers any first team snaps. And not until this week did it sound like he thought he was ready to play.

Rodgers played much more publicly with the idea that he might miraculously make a late week push to play on his radio show. Mostly I think this is clowning and his curious refusal to view anything in a negative or downcast light (he refused to rule himself out each week). McCarthy, until this week, has not invited that kind of speculation either.

This week McCarthy all but cleared Rodgers in the Thursday PC. Previously, there had been talk of 3 hurdles to clear and McCarthy and he refused to detail the results of them. This week he said Rodgers did everything he though he needed to do. I take it for granted that M3 is not given the responsibility of reading the scan.

I seriously doubt M3 played this game if they didn't expect Rodgers back late this year.

[woodbuck27]

I disagree, though I think now there is now a difference of opinion regarding his ability to play.

M3 and Rodgers have been on the same page almost every week; that its a significant injury, he is being evaluated week to week and that they think he can play this year. Rodgers in particular dismissed any question about the injury being minor and short term (original 3 week estimates). McCarthy, until the last two weeks, hasn't given Rodgers any first team snaps. And not until this week did it sound like he thought he was ready to play.

Rodgers played much more publicly with the idea that he might miraculously make a late week push to play on his radio show. Mostly I think this is clowning and his curious refusal to view anything in a negative or downcast light (he refused to rule himself out each week). McCarthy, until this week, has not invited that kind of speculation either.

This week McCarthy all but cleared Rodgers in the Thursday PC. Previously, there had been talk of 3 hurdles to clear and McCarthy and he refused to detail the results of them. This week he said Rodgers did everything he though he needed to do. I take it for granted that M3 is not given the responsibility of reading the scan.

I seriously doubt M3 played this game if they didn't expect Rodgers back late this year.

I agree with the basics of your analysis.

Where this has arrived:

I'm entirely satisfied that MM was straight up pbmax. In the entire course of it all as a fan I wasn't there until late this week.

It had been my position that MM looked like he wasn't forthcoming in his communications with the media.

I believe that he's reviewed it all and will grow from this experience pbmax.

Maybe MM doesn't make it his business as HC to want to know all details and injuries!?

GO PACKERS !