Dear Ted---FREE RODGERS

[woodbuck27]

I don't know..ask Mike McCarthy? He's the primary source of the inside information to the media isn't he?

What's your take ?

Where did that first come from... from whom?

It sure didn't come from Packer fans.

Packer fans speculated often with near pessimism over the time that injury would realistically heal. Packer fans are getting used to disappointment in terms of up front communications from as you put it...'1265'.

I'll just add this looking back from the beginning when MM said things that sure caused confusion and any timeline for AR's return:

An early report:

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/230650681.html

From above this LINK:

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/oh-no-not-aaron-rodgers-b99135314z1-230609911.html

A) That 3 week mention came from * here * (look at B) after please. That three week timeline wasn't Fr. the Green Bay Packer Organization as the early report divulges that 3 week timeline (SO that was unofficial).

* http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-...ut-three-weeks

Report: Aaron Rodgers could miss three weeks with collarbone injury

ESPN's Adam Schefter reports Tuesday morning that Rodgers suffered a small fracture in his collarbone and the Packers believe their QB will miss about three weeks.

"They don't have an exact diagnosis," McCarthy said. "No timeline. No exact diagnosis."

By: Will Brinson | NFL Writer ... November 5, 2013 9:07 am ET

** http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/99...ken-collarbone

Aaron Rodgers has broken collarbone

Updated: November 5, 2013, 9:33 PM ET... ESPN.com news services

" Rodgers said on his weekly radio show that a timetable for his return has not been set, and Packers coach Mike McCarthy said Tuesday that the team is operating with "a week-to-week" mindset. "

We discussed that three weeks timeline here and I thought we felt that for his return to be actually in three (3) weeks would mean over optimism. Many here believed that when MM was saying it was week to week that that made little sense and all we really might believe from MM was that he was relieved that the injury wouldn't be season ending.

GO PACKERS !

[woodbuck27]

I don't know..ask Mike McCarthy? He's the primary source of the inside information to the media isn't he?

What's your take ?

Where did that first come from... from whom?

It sure didn't come from Packer fans.

Packer fans speculated often with near pessimism over the time that injury would realistically heal. Packer fans are getting used to disappointment in terms of up front communications from as you put it...'1265'.

Edit:

That 3 week timeline didn't come from Official Packer Organization sources..MM or otherwise.

Ignore B) in Post #41...this thread.

GO PACKERS !

[denverYooper]

Come on now, we all know that estimating a Packer injury follows the same guidelines for estimating projects: double the initial estimate then add another 50% for slop.

[woodbuck27]

Come on now, we all know that estimating a Packer injury follows the same guidelines for estimating projects: double the initial estimate then add another 50% for slop.

Blame it on the Italian Community.

They go in for extra thick crust pizza.

[pbmax]

Come on now, we all know that estimating a Packer injury follows the same guidelines for estimating projects: double the initial estimate then add another 50% for slop.

That also works for Starfleet engineers.

[Patler]

I wrote abut this shortly after the injury, but the following article captures it all from the mouths of orthopedic specialists:

http://www.packersnews.com/article/2...Rodgers-debate

To summarize:
- Blood circulation can be low in the area so that breaks heal slowly. Can be 12 weeks.
- Can vary widely from player to player.
- Can not tell ahead of time, only as healing progresses.
- Scans expose the area to such high radiation that it actually slows healing, so do infrequently.
- A complete displaced break has a higher risk of nerve damage, which can impact ability to raise arm.
- An incompletely healed break that was not displaced has a greater risk of sustaining a displaced break if hit again.

In my opinion, you need to minimize the risk of a rebreak as much as possible. Even if he never plays again this season, it was worth keeping him on the active roster in case he healed quickly and could play again.

This says it all for me:

In this case, according to three sports orthopedists I consulted Friday, a catastrophe could happen if Rodgers is reinjured and sustains collateral damage to the nerves under his collarbone. That damage can happen in surgery, where there’s also the risk of infection, blood clots and an adverse reaction to anesthesia. And it can happen because of the trauma upon reinjury.
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...

“That’s where the major risk comes,” Podesta said, “because if he damages that (brachial plexus), then he can’t lift his arm up, and that’s a very difficult problem to deal with, especially if the nerves get permanently damaged. I’m sure that’s where his doctor is coming from. I would probably err on the side of holding him, especially if there’s still fracture seen on the X-rays.”

[Patler]

Why did MM have to absorb all the heat and often look so uncomfortable and even rather foolish at times? You saw the video of his pressers . Maybe you didn't?... and might Patler. Mike McCarthy actually lost it on occasion ( seriously lost it with the media on one occasion ) and you might know what I refer to Patler.

Where was Ted Thompson in terms of communication and any visability in terms of the Packer players (His Roster)and us ..... the Packer fans?

Where was/is Ted Thompson?

If you had his responsibilities? Would you act as Ted Thompson does?

Please Patler...don't treat that as a moot question. Place yourself in that chair and for some time wear that hat as the Green Bay Packer GM. Be as I am here...specific to the Aaron Rodgers injury and all follow-up to this second.

Thanks ...have a wonderful weekend.

PS:

Stay away from the Packer thread this Sunday please, Eh.

What heat did MM have to absorb? Anyone who thought the Packers should be able to say with certainty when AR will return was being naive. He will return when he is sufficiently healed. They will know when that is, when it is.

MM gives the medical reports on all players at specific times. Rodgers was treated no differently than others, nor should he be.

Rodger is frustrated. MM is frustrated. I would bet that TT is just as frustrated.

What is it that you think TT should do? Conduct a special press conference every week to report on AR? To say what?

Season's Greetings to you, too Woody. Rest assured, I won't be anywhere near the Packer thread on Sunday. I'm a long way from home with lots of family things lined up with my entire flock of kids and Mrs. Patler. Probably won't watch this game until a week or 10 days from now, at the earliest, but I will certainly be looking for scores on Sunday!

[CaptainKickass]

I'll just add this looking back from the beginning when MM said things that sure caused confusion and any timeline for AR's return:

An early report:

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/230650681.html

From above this LINK:

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/oh-no-not-aaron-rodgers-b99135314z1-230609911.html

A) That 3 week mention came from * here * (look at B) after please. That three week timeline wasn't Fr. the Green Bay Packer Organization as the early report divulges that 3 week timeline (SO that was unofficial).

* http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-...ut-three-weeks

Report: Aaron Rodgers could miss three weeks with collarbone injury

ESPN's Adam Schefter reports Tuesday morning that Rodgers suffered a small fracture in his collarbone and the Packers believe their QB will miss about three weeks.

"They don't have an exact diagnosis," McCarthy said. "No timeline. No exact diagnosis."

By: Will Brinson | NFL Writer ... November 5, 2013 9:07 am ET

** http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/99...ken-collarbone

Aaron Rodgers has broken collarbone

Updated: November 5, 2013, 9:33 PM ET... ESPN.com news services

" Rodgers said on his weekly radio show that a timetable for his return has not been set, and Packers coach Mike McCarthy said Tuesday that the team is operating with "a week-to-week" mindset. "

We discussed that three weeks timeline here and I thought we felt that for his return to be actually in three (3) weeks would mean over optimism. Many here believed that when MM was saying it was week to week that that made little sense and all we really might believe from MM was that he was relieved that the injury wouldn't be season ending.

GO PACKERS !

Holy fucking shitballs WoodBuck!

EVIDENCE!

[pbmax]

That article did make a pretty good case. I would have preferred some percentages on those unlikely and more serious risks of a re-break, but the article does a good job of enumerating the specific risks that did not get much play since Rodgers started practicing.

[woodbuck27]

What heat did MM have to absorb? Anyone who thought the Packers should be able to say with certainty when AR will return was being naive. He will return when he is sufficiently healed. They will know when that is, when it is.

MM gives the medical reports on all players at specific times. Rodgers was treated no differently than others, nor should he be.

Rodger is frustrated. MM is frustrated. I would bet that TT is just as frustrated.

What is it that you think TT should do? Conduct a special press conference every week to report on AR? To say what?

Season's Greetings to you, too Woody. Rest assured, I won't be anywhere near the Packer thread on Sunday. I'm a long way from home with lots of family things lined up with my entire flock of kids and Mrs. Patler. Probably won't watch this game until a week or 10 days from now, at the earliest, but I will certainly be looking for scores on Sunday!

I'm not going to disagree with you today Patler. This is a day when all of Packer Nation needs to be consistent and together in all believing that our beloved Packers will be victorious !

Where are you? At a cabin in the woods? I want all Packer fans screaming at their TV sets/screens today Patler.

You had my pass there Packer fan bud.

GO HARD PACKERS !...GO PACK GO ! BEAT DOWN ....on those steelers.

[red]

one thing i remember from all my nice little trips to my ortho lately is about bones healing. he had a nice little booklet geared towards kids that i always read while waiting for him

the one thing that sticks out to me, is the last line in the book. it said "after a few years, it will heal so much that a doctor might not even be able to tell where the original fracture lines are". i read that as telling me that it might look like the crack is still there months, if not years later, even if it is healed.

if we're just going off of x-rays, then it probably still does look like a crack is there.

as for the technique someone mentioned about the doc putting his thumb on the spot and pressing down to see if there's pain. put your thumb on your collarbone and press down, hurts, doesn't it? and yours isn't broke

[woodbuck27]

I wrote abut this shortly after the injury, but the following article captures it all from the mouths of orthopedic specialists:

http://www.packersnews.com/article/2...Rodgers-debate

To summarize:
- Blood circulation can be low in the area so that breaks heal slowly. Can be 12 weeks.
- Can vary widely from player to player.
- Can not tell ahead of time, only as healing progresses.
- Scans expose the area to such high radiation that it actually slows healing, so do infrequently.
- A complete displaced break has a higher risk of nerve damage, which can impact ability to raise arm.
- An incompletely healed break that was not displaced has a greater risk of sustaining a displaced break if hit again.

In my opinion, you need to minimize the risk of a rebreak as much as possible. Even if he never plays again this season, it was worth keeping him on the active roster in case he healed quickly and could play again.

This says it all for me:

Flynn's collarbone >>> Rodgers collarbone.

We've got Flynn. We win with Flynn.

PACKERS WIN TODAY !

BELIEVE IT... EMBRACE IT !!

[woodbuck27]

I was just checking out some Packer fan comments on affairs with the Packers and it seems there's some unhappy campers posting there.

Packerrats is calm in comparison.

The nature of a forum in terms of some modicum of mutual respect. A benefit of being properly informed.

GO PACKERS ! ....GO PACK GO !

[pbmax]

Chris Mortensen @mortreport 1h
Aaron Rodgers fractured collarbone still "extraordinary risk" per sources. No real "organizational decision" as McCarthy repeated Friday


If from Packer Management, then we have now a situation where the team is leaking info that reflects poorly on comments made by its coach and player. If whatever the idea was gets to the pout where you are leaking to control a narrative you started internally, its time to rethink the plan.

[woodbuck27]

Chris Mortensen @mortreport 1h
Aaron Rodgers fractured collarbone still "extraordinary risk" per sources. No real "organizational decision" as McCarthy repeated Friday


If from Packer Management, then we have now a situation where the team is leaking info that reflects poorly on comments made by its coach and player. If whatever the idea was gets to the pout where you are leaking to control a narrative you started internally, its time to rethink the plan.

If source (s) have the TRUTH and are leaking that TRUTH:

A) Determine the source or sources and address that person those person(s) with a dull spoon ... as castratration may be in order.

A severe reaming out and shaking up certainly is.

B) If the source (s) are 100% accurate in regards to the TRUTH.:

It would be simply dumb for Aaron Rodgers to not be placed on season ending IR (Friday 20 Dec. 20, 2013.)

My analysis:

Edit: I don't believe it.