Dear Ted---FREE RODGERS

[woodbuck27]

I interpret it as you don't know what you're talking about. Read what you wrote, slowly and carefully, and the answer will come to you.

You wrote this yesterday. I had you on IGNORE then.

What are you? A self appointed pseudo inquisitor here at Packerrats?

Your developing a serious compulsion/obsession Cleft.

Talk this over with mraynrand...He might help you. 'M' or mraynrand is on Packerats right now...Noon CT

to yourself.

PLEASE... We have a Packer game to concentrate on here today... NOT your silly ego.

I took you off IGNORE for one day as it's Game Day.

Have some decency...some fair respect. Lay off the personal attacks please.

Thank You.

Have a wonderful day Packer fan.

[pbmax]

My analysis:

It's a crock ...

I think people are downplaying the fact that the Packers are willing to leave Rodgers on the roster and might allow him to play in the playoffs. Its not clear cut but it adds weeks to the recovery.

It will be 8 weeks next Sunday, the last regular season game.

[woodbuck27]

I think people are downplaying the fact that the Packers are willing to leave Rodgers on the roster and might allow him to play in the playoffs. Its not clear cut but it adds weeks to the recovery.

It will be 8 weeks next Sunday, the last regular season game.

I place no weight in that source (s).

The Packers are looking at Aaron Rodgers and Randall Cobb and their injury status. That's being weighed looking forward to next week (and season extending game in Chicago).

I sense it's right there pbmax.

Where are you and this?

[Pugger]

http://www.packersnews.com/article/20131221/PKR07/312210267/Pete-Dougherty-column-Long-term-interests-win-out-Rodgers-debate

[woodbuck27]

http://www.packersnews.com/article/2...Rodgers-debate

A very detailed article on the Aaron Rodgers status and decision to hold him out.

Excellent !

Thanks Pugger.

GO PACKERS !...GO PACK GO!

Take the Steelers !!

[woodbuck27]

I think people are downplaying the fact that the Packers are willing to leave Rodgers on the roster and might allow him to play in the playoffs. Its not clear cut but it adds weeks to the recovery.

It will be 8 weeks next Sunday, the last regular season game.

I believe for the Packers it's a 'here in my left hand and over here in my right hand' thing and Rodgers and Cobb.

Then I weigh in on Rodgers and possibly slower that anticipated healing (bone repair) and if that's the case. Why delay the inevitable and ending AR's season? Then as you point out pbmax there's that thing about 8-9-10 weeks to heal.

Why is life sometimes so complicated?; but in terms of the LT benefit to AR and the Packers ...simple !

So what to do? Choose simple and he's back when he's back.

Forget who knows what..is saying what... said what and will say what.

GO PACK GO !

[red]

i think the packers as an organization have shown they are a "play not to get hurt" type of team, which IMO is a lot like a "play not to lose" type of team

if you do any type of job and you're always wooried about getting hurt, guess what, you're gonna get hurt

[ThunderDan]

i think the packers as an organization have shown they are a "play not to get hurt" type of team, which IMO is a lot like a "play not to lose" type of team

if you do any type of job and you're always wooried about getting hurt, guess what, you're gonna get hurt

That makes sense in a way.

I believe that if ARod was ready he would be starting. Too much on the line not to.

Something just isn't healing like they want.

[Bretsky]

So, am I supposed to be upset at TT for thinking about a players long-term best interest rather than the team's immediate best interest?

Am I supposed to suspect TT of intentionally sabotaging the teams chances to win games?

Am I supposed to encourage or expect TT to ignore the sound medical advice of the team physician and play Rodgers anyway?

If anything, this situation has increased my respect for him.

I'm sure you know from my history I like to start up some of the stir the pot threads....read up on all the comments of the bunch, think things over, and comment later. Your comments, IMO, are very Patler like. You are thinking rationally.....perhaps a bit conservative, and long term. The worst case scenario with your though process is we don't win the Super Bowl this year, and we get a healthy AROD Back for next year when we can make the run. You probably also know the odds are very strong that we won't win the Super Bowl regardless this year so in the big picture of things it really is probably smarter to start Flynn, lose the the Bears, and get healthy for next year.

You probably know I rarely go with a conservative line of thinking (except in politics and some moral issues). My guess is you are investing in stocks that you are very confident will make you some money and you probably know your downside risk is minimal. I 'm probably the extreme on the other side. I look at stocks like Under Armour, YELP, WDAY, and TWTR......stocks you'd probably think that I'm an idiot to sink my hard earned money into. I'm a bit of a dreamer....shooting for the impossible dream..of turning a few grand into a 100 grand......hence my bias for throwing AROD back into the mix in time to allow us to get into a make a run into the playoffs.

We have no business making the playoffs with Matt Flynn and if it happens it will be a charade with him as our QB. We're easy pickins for whoever we face round one and the realist and coservative side of me say we'll be an embarrassment in the playoffs round one with Flynn so take the dam draft pick.

But the dreamer side of me says..........what if AROD does return....MM calls a few great games in a row....quick drops...minimimzing his hits....and what if he gets hot......and Clay returns.........and we beat Carolina or San Fran at home round one............and we make a deep run.........

Could it happen ? Can I turn a few G to UnderArmour Stock into a multi bagger..................................it's possible !!!!!


FREE RODGERS
FREE RODGERS
FREE ROGGERS !!!

[Bretsky]

If you think him not being medically cleared is bullshit what would be your guess as to why TT is keeping Rodgers from playing?

I think he's the GM and he's erring on the side of caution in a season that we don't have a strong chance of winning the Super Bowl. Being medically cleared to play and being 100 percent healed IMO are different.....hence the reason why I think MM and AROD want to go to war on the field while TT wants to protect his 100MIL investment.

[woodbuck27]

I place no weight in that source (s).

The Packers are looking at Aaron Rodgers and Randall Cobb and their injury status. That's being weighed looking forward to next week (and season extending game in Chicago).

I sense it's right there pbmax.

Where are you and this?

How many roster spots are now open?

It seems I read that when Jolly and Bostic went on IR that the Packers 'Organization', or is it 'TEAM', didn't fill either spot.

I hope that Aaron Rodgers and/or Randall Cobb can get back to the TEAM this week.

That the Packer 'organization' decides to help out 'the TEAM'.

GO PACK...GO PACK GO !

[Patler]

My guess is you are investing in stocks that you are very confident will make you some money and you probably know your downside risk is minimal. I 'm probably the extreme on the other side. I look at stocks like Under Armour, YELP, WDAY, and TWTR......stocks you'd probably think that I'm an idiot to sink my hard earned money into. I'm a bit of a dreamer....shooting for the impossible dream..of turning a few grand into a 100 grand......hence my bias for throwing AROD back into the mix in time to allow us to get into a make a run into the playoffs.

...and you would be very wrong with your "guess" about my investing style. I have had more then my share of 25%-50% losers even during the last few years of a market easy to make money in. Doesn't bother me because I have also had a similar number of 50%-100%+ winners. A sizable portion of my investments are in high beta stocks, and I have intentionally jumped around from one industry to another playing a lot of long shot start-up or emerging companies. My new play ground is in small pharma companies who will make it or die based on FDA approval and subsequent success of a single or only a few drugs. Interesting as heck, but not a place for the weak-stomached investor. I recently doubled down on a stock that I was 53% unerwater on, and that isn't the first time I have done that. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. However, I make certain that I have sound reasons for doing it each time. Basically, I look at it fresh and ask myself whether I would buy it today if I owned none. If the answer is yes, I buy more. If the answer is no, I sell what I have, take my loss and move on. The decision whether or not to invest does not depend on the potential return, it depends on sound analysis.

The decision with Rodgers is similar. Whether or not he should play has absolutely nothing to do with their playoff picture. It is irrational to think that he is sufficiently healed to play only because the game has playoff implications. He is either sufficiently healed to play NFL football, or he isn't. The game doesn't matter.

The more I have read about the risks, the more concerned I am:
- everyone agrees, with an existing fracture he is at significantly increased risk of sustaining a dislocated fracture,
- the risk declines with healing of the initial fracture.
- a dislocated fracture has increased risk for injuring a bundle of nerves just below the bone.
- injury to those nerves can require months of physical thereapy to regain full movement of the arm on that side.
- that same injury can then affect his throwing motion on the other side because of the anchor the off arm & shoulder provide.

[woodbuck27]

http://www.packersnews.com/article/2...Rodgers-debate

"the Packers are paying Rodgers $18.7 million a year to try to win titles" Fr. LINK above

I read an article over the past three days that detaiied information RE:Johnny Jolly and Brandon Bostic being placed on season ending IR.

I noted that both will as a direct result of that move suffer what I interpreted as dramatic reduction in $Salary$.

If the same had been done with Aaron Rodgers; and that based on some of the leaked and to date "unidentifiable sources'. Leaked information that informed me that the injury to Aaron Rodgers was far more serious than we were led to believe it was.

That contradicted by:

MM saying that he was relieved to know that Aaron Rodgers would at some time return to play this season.

If the information from some Packer source in the know is the TRUTH? That information passed onto ESPN.

Why wasn't Aaron Rodgers simply placed on season ending IR; the same as Jolly and Bostic and other Packers that were seriously injured this season?

Wouldn't such a move with Aaron Rodgers injury have saved the Green Bay Packer Organization a fair chunk of change?

Much more money than the savings accumulated from the injury status (IR) of all the other Packer players combined?

If Aaron's injury is and has been all along as seriously injured as it's being reported by whomever (Chris Mortensen - ESPN ? ...his source). There are so many articles it's difficult to sift through them all.

What has all this been, but **silly gamesmanship? Why do I write that? **

All observable sides of it and 'excluding the invisible TT', who we must assume has the voice of Dr. Patrick McKenzie.

Dr. Patrick McKenzie 'the 'Big Guy' in any 'Final Call' on Aaron Rodgers being medically cleared to return to full duty as a Green Bay Packer QB.

** That is Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers and now... an ESPN out sourced reporter reports to really muck things up.

All are seemingly playing different roles and certainly NOT doing even a half decent job of being on the same page.

What is really going on here? What's this all been about?

[woodbuck27]

"the Packers are paying Rodgers $18.7 million a year to try to win titles" Fr. LINK above

I read an article over the past three days that detaiied information RE:Johnny Jolly and Brandon Bostic being placed on season ending IR.

I noted that both will as a direct result of that move suffer what I interpreted as dramatic reduction in $Salary$.

If the same had been done with Aaron Rodgers; and that based on some of the leaked and to date "unidentifiable sources'. Leaked information that informed me that the injury to Aaron Rodgers was far more serious than we were led to believe it was.

That contradicted by:

MM saying that he was relieved to know that Aaron Rodgers would at some time return to play this season.

If the information from some Packer source in the know is the TRUTH? That information passed onto ESPN.

Why wasn't Aaron Rodgers simply placed on season ending IR; the same as Jolly and Bostic and other Packers that were seriously injured this season?

Wouldn't such a move with Aaron Rodgers injury have saved the Green Bay Packer Organization a fair chunk of change?

Much more money than the savings accumulated from the injury status (IR) of all the other Packer players combined?

If Aaron's injury is and has been all along as seriously injured as it's being reported by whomever (Chris Mortensen - ESPN ? ...his source). There are so many articles it's difficult to sift through them all.

What has all this been, but **silly gamesmanship? Why do I write that? **

All observable sides of it and 'excluding the invisible TT', who we must assume has the voice of Dr. Patrick McKenzie.

Dr. Patrick McKenzie 'the 'Big Guy' in any 'Final Call' on Aaron Rodgers being medically cleared to return to full duty as a Green Bay Packer QB.

** That is Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers and now... an ESPN out sourced reporter reports to really muck things up.

All are seemingly playing different roles and certainly NOT doing even a half decent job of being on the same page.

What is really going on here? What's this all been about?

So with this PR mess what is 'the BEST PR MOVE' that the Packers Team or Organization can make right now!?

I believe it's this:

Tell us Packer fans TODAY that Aaron Rodgers is medically cleared to do what he's payed to do:

Help the Packer team... his teammates, coach's and HC Mike McCarthy win that game this Sunday in Chicago and WIN the NFCN Championship.

Then be the man that helps the Green Bay Packers win 'the Wild Card Game' in the playoffs and well ....we'll see.

It's time that Aaron Rodgers gets a chance to do what he's payed to do. Get the Packers back to winning football games not covert battles or acting like some member of a Secret Society.

That's my final Word (s) at this point on Christmas Eve 2013; on this whole Aaron Rodgers injury 'fiasco'.

The Packer Organization has a lot to learn over this whole thing. Maybe they havn't yet?

We'll soon see.

GO PACK GO !

[Fosco33]

"Free at last, free at last...."