Defensive Overhaul

[call_me_ishmael]

Is it the players? Is it dom?

Is Pickett done? Is he not as good as I think? Reporters always put him at near pro-bowl level. Really steady and solid.

Is Raji done? I thought this guy was a pro-bowl type talent (allegedly). Where are the plays?

Datone Jones at least shows some potential but he certainly had minimal impact during his rookie season.

What player on the line makes any impact plays? I get that it's a 3-4 and they aren't going to be getting after the passer, but the DL is a bunch of fatties which should be able to stop the run.

How are AJ Hawk and Brad Jones still the starters? Does anyone think these guys would start for any other team?

Is Nick Perry ever going to play consistently?

Is Mike Neal anything more than a JAG?

The safeties are trash.

Is it really Dom's fault? The players up the middle of the D are absolute trash.

If I could, I would probably get rid of every body but Datone Jones are start fresh.

[Rodgers12]

If I could, I would probably get rid of every body but Datone Jones are start fresh.

Even The Claymaker?

I know, The Claymaker is made of glass, but Jones over the Claymaker?

[Freak Out]

Guys need to stay healthy....and they need a monster in the middle (LB) along with a safety or two.

[call_me_ishmael]

Even The Claymaker?

I know, The Claymaker is made of glass, but Jones over the Claymaker?

I meant up the middle. I suppose that wasn't clear as Jones could be considered an outside-the-tackle guy as well. I like our corners and Clay. I do think the kid from Iowa is overrated though. It seems like he holds an awful lot.

[packrulz]

Now that I've calmed down I don't really blame Dom for a lack of talent, I like Hawk, but he is too slow in pass coverage. Since Woodson left, safety is a gaping hole. Clay is our only decent pass rusher. Until TT can find better talent on defense, it doesn't matter who the DC is. On a positive note, Bakhtiari, Lacy, Boykin, Hyde, & Daniels all were nice picks.

[PA Pack Fan]

I have yet to see or remember a play made with any significance by Nick Perry. Add him to the list.

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

One side of me says relax old guy, it takes time to rebuild a defense as bad as the Packers. The other side says we are not improving, and many of the players there now appear to be leaving via free agency or retirement. The last, more emotional side, says BLOW THE FUCKER UP! Consequently, I have no clue what to do...but would at least like to see some improvement from year to year. Isn't that TT's and MM's responsibility?

[woodbuck27]

Now that I've calmed down I don't really blame Dom for a lack of talent, I like Hawk, but he is too slow in pass coverage. Since Woodson left, safety is a gaping hole. Clay is our only decent pass rusher. Until TT can find better talent on defense, it doesn't matter who the DC is. On a positive note, Bakhtiari, Lacy, Boykin, Hyde, & Daniels all were nice picks.

Yes. I believe the blinds have been lifted from the window.

The view outside is somewhat welcome but after looking at it for awhile.

Don't you want to draw those blinds again?

The thing is we can't do that. That isn't an option.

We can't run away and hide as Packer fans.

We need to know more than the score and the teams position in the standings.

Playoffs or not isn't the focus of your Packer fan dedication.

PACKERS!

[Fritz]

Yes. I believe the blinds have been lifted from the window.

The view outside is somewhat welcome but after looking at it for awhile.

Don't you want to draw those blinds again?

The thing is we can't do that. That isn't an option.

We can't run away and hide as Packer fans.

We need to know more than the score and the teams position in the standings.

Playoffs or not isn't the focus of your Packer fan dedication.

PACKERS!

Seems like the defensive line doesn't hold point and the inside linebackers are too slow. Plus the safety spot is weak.

[denverYooper]

I have yet to see or remember a play made with any significance by Nick Perry. Add him to the list.

He leads the team in forced fumbles, tied with Clay at 3.

[bobblehead]

Impactful players: Clay, Shields, Daniels, Hayward (this is a good core of a defense if healthy)

Serviceable players: Jolly, Perry, Neal, Burnett, Hyde, Pickett

Guys who need to be replaced: BJones, Safety de jour, Hawk, Pickett (age and health), Raji

If you draft/aquire one thumper at LB and one serviceable safety the D looks a lot better (when healthy). Also we need some of the young DL that I can't categorize to step up. I also want a coordinator with attitude. A Kevin Greene type. Nearly every team has holes on D, but we can't seem to cover ours up. 400 points....seriously?

[pbmax]

I have yet to see or remember a play made with any significance by Nick Perry. Add him to the list.

His story is the same old story of the defense. He had a 3 sack game (or 3 sacks over the course of 2 perhaps) and looked like he had arrived. Then he got hurt and was never the same.

[pbmax]

I think Hawk and Burnett can play, but are fully formed and are not going to change a D by themselves. Burnett has stood out especially when he had talent next to him.

I think Hawk is much the same. Since the odds of landing two Pro Bowlers at these spots is low enough, I would be happy to keep both and get someone who can play next to them. The problem with each, as it always is, is cost. Both are on their second contracts.

[run pMc]

I'm often torn: do we need thumpers at ILB, or do we need a thumper and a cover ILB? Seems like Hawk or Jones covering RBs like Sproles, Bush, McCoy is often a mismatch, and same thing with TE's.
If you believe McGinn, the D can't be small, soft, or slow. Wow - great analysis. So we need a 6-4 260 ILB with great football IQ who can bench 35 reps and run a 4.5 40...where do we find a couple of those?

[denverYooper]

I'm often torn: do we need thumpers at ILB, or do we need a thumper and a cover ILB? Seems like Hawk or Jones covering RBs like Sproles, Bush, McCoy is often a mismatch, and same thing with TE's.
If you believe McGinn, the D can't be small, soft, or slow. Wow - great analysis. So we need a 6-4 260 ILB with great football IQ who can bench 35 reps and run a 4.5 40...where do we find a couple of those?

They need this guy's grandmother:



"Hell man, my grandma's quicker 'n tougher than you pansies... 'course she's 6-3 250!"

(Randy Floyd: "runs a 4.5 40")