Defensive Overhaul

[Rutnstrut]

Get rid of Capers, and if the new guy is a 4-3 guy so be it. If clay bitches or can't make the transition, trade his often injured ass. IMO, the defense needs more solid, tough, dependable guys like Hawk, fewer brittle superstars like Mathews.

[red]

A busted first rounder is costly, but not as costly as some of Walden's misplays.

busts anywhere in the draft is bad for us

because of the fact that we completely neglect turnover, if you try and factor in turnover, we're looking at needing 4 to 5 starters out of every draft

people have looked at out past drafts and seen 2 or 3 starters and a couple of backups and say that it was a very good draft because thats all you can really ask for in a draft. i disagree. by not trading for players or signing free agents, we have to hit on almost all of our draft picks, we just cannot afford second year mid round picks to be off our roster.

TT is the one that forces that much pressure on him and his drafts, and he is the one failing to live up to is own expectations

if you start missing on as many draft picks as TT has lately, then you have to go out and get us real talent. if te saftey you drafted in the third round the year before doesn't pan out, you don't just replace him with an undrafted street FA . sign a vet for 2 or 3 million a year, trade for a guy. do something to improve your team and actually fix your mistakes.

[woodbuck27]

busts anywhere in the draft is bad for us

because of the fact that we completely neglect turnover, if you try and factor in turnover, we're looking at needing 4 to 5 starters out of every draft

people have looked at out past drafts and seen 2 or 3 starters and a couple of backups and say that it was a very good draft because thats all you can really ask for in a draft. i disagree. by not trading for players or signing free agents, we have to hit on almost all of our draft picks, we just cannot afford second year mid round picks to be off our roster.

TT is the one that forces that much pressure on him and his drafts, and he is the one failing to live up to is own expectations

if you start missing on as many draft picks as TT has lately, then you have to go out and get us real talent. if te saftey you drafted in the third round the year before doesn't pan out, you don't just replace him with an undrafted street FA . sign a vet for 2 or 3 million a year, trade for a guy. do something to improve your team and actually fix your mistakes.

In believe your correct red. TT has to use all of the tools that are afforded him in his toolbox.

It appears to me that he's running in circles to bite his tail off. He's had atrocious luck picking on defense.

Overall he hit on picks extremely well early as the Packer GM. He nailed it with Nick Collins and Aaron Rodgers is arguably the most valuable of MVP's in the NFL. To focus on position and an NFL team. iIagine New Orleans without Drew Brees.

TT has had terrible misfortune and Round One picks overall. He likes the Big bodied men. They do take time to mature in the NFL but his success there hasn't been good.

I think about this stuff a lot and want to come up with a great suggestion but it's not easy and TT"s running out of time with Aaron Rodgers talent if he doesn't soon get it right. I see it slipping away from him more and more.

I see so much that bothers me.

GO PACK GO !

[bobblehead]

Get rid of Capers, and if the new guy is a 4-3 guy so be it. If clay bitches or can't make the transition, trade his often injured ass. IMO, the defense needs more solid, tough, dependable guys like Hawk, fewer brittle superstars like Mathews.

a) Clay won't bitch
b) Clay can play in any defensive system invented. He is a football player, a complete player, and most importantly and instinctive player.

[bobblehead]

busts anywhere in the draft is bad for us

because of the fact that we completely neglect turnover, if you try and factor in turnover, we're looking at needing 4 to 5 starters out of every draft

people have looked at out past drafts and seen 2 or 3 starters and a couple of backups and say that it was a very good draft because thats all you can really ask for in a draft. i disagree. by not trading for players or signing free agents, we have to hit on almost all of our draft picks, we just cannot afford second year mid round picks to be off our roster.

TT is the one that forces that much pressure on him and his drafts, and he is the one failing to live up to is own expectations

if you start missing on as many draft picks as TT has lately, then you have to go out and get us real talent. if te saftey you drafted in the third round the year before doesn't pan out, you don't just replace him with an undrafted street FA . sign a vet for 2 or 3 million a year, trade for a guy. do something to improve your team and actually fix your mistakes.

Isn't FA a net sum game? I mean, if you sign anothers FA instead of your own, it means that guy drafted better than you...or he doesn't value that player as much. If you are drafting better than the other GM's and you resign your own, there is very little benefit to resigning someone elses castoff.

[wist43]

I admit I haven't watched much football this year, but I did watch some of the Pittsburgh game, and a little bit here and there over the past few games.

It seems like more of everything I was seeing in previous years from Dom, i.e. a lot of 2-4, 6 man fronts against either/or down and distance situations - and of course they had the ball run down their throats. More of the same with everything else too... everyone in the front seven (6 really, b/c he ran a 2-4 on just about every down) was misused.

I really can't offer up any real analysis for what's been happening this season b/c I haven't watched enough football, but what I have watched has been just more of what I've come to expect from Dom.

The problem is Dom. A lot of the players might not be an ideal fit for a straight up 3-4, but then it's Dom's responsibility to put them in positions to be successful - and he is clearly not doing that. Dom has to go... he needed to go 2 years ago.

[George Cumby]

I admit I haven't watched much football this year, but I did watch some of the Pittsburgh game, and a little bit here and there over the past few games.

It seems like more of everything I was seeing in previous years from Dom, i.e. a lot of 2-4, 6 man fronts against either/or down and distance situations - and of course they had the ball run down their throats. More of the same with everything else too... everyone in the front seven (6 really, b/c he ran a 2-4 on just about every down) was misused.

I really can't offer up any real analysis for what's been happening this season b/c I haven't watched enough football, but what I have watched has been just more of what I've come to expect from Dom.

The problem is Dom. A lot of the players might not be an ideal fit for a straight up 3-4, but then it's Dom's responsibility to put them in positions to be successful - and he is clearly not doing that. Dom has to go... he needed to go 2 years ago.

It's good to see you back. I hope you are well.

I have come around to your way of thinking. Capers must go.

[Bretsky]

busts anywhere in the draft is bad for us

because of the fact that we completely neglect turnover, if you try and factor in turnover, we're looking at needing 4 to 5 starters out of every draft

people have looked at out past drafts and seen 2 or 3 starters and a couple of backups and say that it was a very good draft because thats all you can really ask for in a draft. i disagree. by not trading for players or signing free agents, we have to hit on almost all of our draft picks, we just cannot afford second year mid round picks to be off our roster.

TT is the one that forces that much pressure on him and his drafts, and he is the one failing to live up to is own expectations

if you start missing on as many draft picks as TT has lately, then you have to go out and get us real talent. if te saftey you drafted in the third round the year before doesn't pan out, you don't just replace him with an undrafted street FA . sign a vet for 2 or 3 million a year, trade for a guy. do something to improve your team and actually fix your mistakes.

Many of us campaign every year to trade down and try to maneuver the draft to maximize 2nd/3rd round picks. Based on our recent 1st round draft history this still looks like a great idea.

The wanna be draft guys in here before the draft spatted out all of the talking head reports we heard....that NickPerry was a bad fit in a 3-4. Then we took him and amnesia kicked in
From the get go everybody noted he has to develop that 2nd move to rush the passer. He has not yet.

We don't have much to show for our first round draft picks since Clay Matthews....do we ??

[Bretsky]

Isn't FA a net sum game? I mean, if you sign anothers FA instead of your own, it means that guy drafted better than you...or he doesn't value that player as much. If you are drafting better than the other GM's and you resign your own, there is very little benefit to resigning someone elses castoff.

It's no better or worse to overpay somebody else's player than grossly overpaying our own.....case in point...Brad Jones

[Bretsky]

a) Clay won't bitch
b) Clay can play in any defensive system invented. He is a football player, a complete player, and most importantly and instinctive player.

I agree...and I think Clay would be fine in a 4-3 as well

[mraynrand]

I admit I haven't watched much football this year, but I did watch some of the Pittsburgh game, and a little bit here and there over the past few games.

It seems like more of everything I was seeing in previous years from Dom, i.e. a lot of 2-4, 6 man fronts against either/or down and distance situations - and of course they had the ball run down their throats. More of the same with everything else too... everyone in the front seven (6 really, b/c he ran a 2-4 on just about every down) was misused.

I really can't offer up any real analysis for what's been happening this season b/c I haven't watched enough football, but what I have watched has been just more of what I've come to expect from Dom.

The problem is Dom. A lot of the players might not be an ideal fit for a straight up 3-4, but then it's Dom's responsibility to put them in positions to be successful - and he is clearly not doing that. Dom has to go... he needed to go 2 years ago.

Nice to see you posting. You could be right about Dom, but with the decimation of the defense, it's hard to tell. Jolly, Pickett, Matthews and Perry seemed to be the key the run defense and they are all severely compromised or gone due to injury, so who can really tell? Jones is marginal at best and Hawk is just better than JAG. Safeties are marginal, so the entire middle of the defense is suspect, talent-wise. Need to get better right up the middle in the off season. Hope Rex Ryan is available, but some other team will probably hire him as head coach - maybe even Minnesota, since Minnesota is famous for it's foot fetishes - and tall, blonde Skindinavian women.

[woodbuck27]

I admit I haven't watched much football this year, but I did watch some of the Pittsburgh game, and a little bit here and there over the past few games.

It seems like more of everything I was seeing in previous years from Dom, i.e. a lot of 2-4, 6 man fronts against either/or down and distance situations - and of course they had the ball run down their throats. More of the same with everything else too... everyone in the front seven (6 really, b/c he ran a 2-4 on just about every down) was misused.

I really can't offer up any real analysis for what's been happening this season b/c I haven't watched enough football, but what I have watched has been just more of what I've come to expect from Dom.

The problem is Dom. A lot of the players might not be an ideal fit for a straight up 3-4, but then it's Dom's responsibility to put them in positions to be successful - and he is clearly not doing that. Dom has to go... he needed to go 2 years ago.

Yes your certainly bang on 'again' Packer fan'

I hope your feeling somewhat better and Merry Christmas to you Wist43 and to those you care for...love.

GO PACKERS...GO PACK GO !

[denverYooper]

I admit I haven't watched much football this year, but I did watch some of the Pittsburgh game, and a little bit here and there over the past few games.

It seems like more of everything I was seeing in previous years from Dom, i.e. a lot of 2-4, 6 man fronts against either/or down and distance situations - and of course they had the ball run down their throats. More of the same with everything else too... everyone in the front seven (6 really, b/c he ran a 2-4 on just about every down) was misused.

I really can't offer up any real analysis for what's been happening this season b/c I haven't watched enough football, but what I have watched has been just more of what I've come to expect from Dom.

The problem is Dom. A lot of the players might not be an ideal fit for a straight up 3-4, but then it's Dom's responsibility to put them in positions to be successful - and he is clearly not doing that. Dom has to go... he needed to go 2 years ago.

Good to see you Wist. You've been missed. George even had to start a "Fire Spray Paint Hare!" (sic) thread in your honor with all of the defensive meltdowns happening early in Rodgers' absence.

[bobblehead]

It's no better or worse to overpay somebody else's player than grossly overpaying our own.....case in point...Brad Jones

YOu give me one example of a guy who is slightly overpaid. At the end of last season he emerged as a reasonable cover guy. His contract was not back loaded or dangerous. He hasn't lived up to it, we can cut him anytime. I am pretty sure when most here talk FA, they aren't talking about a guy signing for $4 million a year, they want TT to sign Albert Haynsworth for $15 million a year, with 60 million in dead money.

[Bretsky]

YOu give me one example of a guy who is slightly overpaid. At the end of last season he emerged as a reasonable cover guy. His contract was not back loaded or dangerous. He hasn't lived up to it, we can cut him anytime. I am pretty sure when most here talk FA, they aren't talking about a guy signing for $4 million a year, they want TT to sign Albert Haynsworth for $15 million a year, with 60 million in dead money.

I don't think your last assumption is fair at all; we aren't calling for a Haynesworth. I thnk that mentality has been gone for a long time. Brad Jones, was an is ridiculously overpaid. He had some nice stints last year but he's a backup and his body of work shows that. He's an obvious example. Tyrone Williams is overpaid. You asked for examples. FWIW I was on board with the Tramon Williams signing from the start so I only bring this up because some others thought we overpaid him from the start. Brad Jones....I was never on board with him. We all thoght Eric Walden was ridiculously overpaid...but some used that to try to justify paying Brad Jones. Never bought into that.