FOR THOSE WHO HATE CAPERS.....

[Bretsky]

capers is following the exact same pattern that has followed him his whole career

he gets a new job and within a couiple years turns that defense into one of the best in football, then it declines until it is near the bottom and he gets fired

he then moves on to a new team and the process starts all over again

someone on this site posted his ups and downs a few years back that showed this progression very clearly

i don't know why it happens, but it does, and i don't think he's ever brought a team back up after he's taken it to a valley

its time for him to go, his history shows that its time for him to move on to a new team and for us to find a new DC

i also think we have a good amount of talent on d, but like the offensive line, i don't think the sum of all the parts adds up quite right.

say you grade every guy on a 1-5 scale. you go through our starters on D and you might come up with a number around 35 or 40 or so. yet the defense as a whole plays at about a 25 or 30 at best

i do think we need more talent on D at safety and MLB (maybe just one guy at each) but the guys aren't playing as a unit or something. too many guys look confused, too many errors

something needs to change imo

I woud put the desperate needs at LB, S, and another CB. At this point I might have been worng about Datone Jones (have not given up) and maybe Matt Elam was our pick
And we also have more needs on the DL after either Pickett and/or Raji bolt.

[Bretsky]

I wouldn't know how many more records our defense would need to give up (Kaepernick, Warner, the 2011 defense, etc.) before it would be justified to let Capers go.

It's one thing to be average, or even below average. Quite another to give up *records* at the most inopportune times.

Nice to see ya posting th.....Hope you are having a wonderful Holiday season !

[red]

I woud put the desperate needs at LB, S, and another CB. At this point I might have been worng about Datone Jones (have not given up) and maybe Matt Elam was our pick
And we also have more needs on the DL after either Pickett and/or Raji bolt.

i don't know about CB

unless shields leaves and tramon is let go

hayward might be back next year i hope, house has showed a lot of potential, but not lately, and hyde is pretty damn good

is hyde moves from CB to S then safety might not be such a big need

and i would like to think the team lets tramon go and resigns shields. so shields, hayward, house and/or hyde doesn't seem so bad

in that case, maybe draft a guy later, but i wouldn't put a real high priority on it

of course, if we let tramon and shields go, then move hyde to S, then CB becomes a massive area of need

[th87]

Nice to see ya posting th.....Hope you are having a wonderful Holiday season !

Thanks buddy! You too. A lot of my posting time is used on the "Save Our Bucks" campaign!

[pbmax]

Article on the ups and downs of the D line: also, it was a good run D through Week 7, statistically speaking. First Bears game was the turning point though I think there were signs earlier.

http://www.packersnews.com/article/20131228/PKR07/312280288/Pete-Dougherty-analysis-Less-certainty-D-line-after-late-season-decline

[Pugger]

Wilde's article summing up Matt Flynn's year makes a good point about the Thanksgiving Day game. He went in there without a full practice. Doesn't explain the defensive meltdown in the 2nd half, but it does explain why the offense was NO help.

http://www.espnwisconsin.com/common/...2411&is_corp=1

Even in that terrible game our less than stellar D was getting turnovers in the first half but our offense never could take advantage of those. If we had better QB play in that game I wonder if the outcome would have been different...?

[bobblehead]

Wilde's article summing up Matt Flynn's year makes a good point about the Thanksgiving Day game. He went in there without a full practice. Doesn't explain the defensive meltdown in the 2nd half, but it does explain why the offense was NO help.

http://www.espnwisconsin.com/common/...2411&is_corp=1

I said that not long after I sobered up. That game was set up for disaster. Flynn hadn't had a full practice, short week, off an OT game. Detroit got all psyched up to kick our Rodgerless asses, didn't have to travel, didn't play OT, and was healthy. Recipe for disaster.

[bobblehead]

I woud put the desperate needs at LB, S, and another CB. At this point I might have been worng about Datone Jones (have not given up) and maybe Matt Elam was our pick
And we also have more needs on the DL after either Pickett and/or Raji bolt.

I think Datone and Sherrod (if both are healthy) will be a huge boost to this team.

[bobblehead]

Article on the ups and downs of the D line: also, it was a good run D through Week 7, statistically speaking. First Bears game was the turning point though I think there were signs earlier.

http://www.packersnews.com/article/2...season-decline

Again, tackling and D in general is about heart and pride. We started the year determined to not suck vs. the run. As we proved we don't, the pride and effort slacked off. Just my 2 cents worth.

[woodbuck27]

Thanks buddy! You too. A lot of my posting time is used on the "Save Our Bucks" campaign!

Hi th87:

Good Luck with that "Save Our Bucks Campaign", Packer fan

WIH is wrong with those in charge of Whitetail Deer Management? You cannot have season after season of taking the good male genes out of a herd and imagine that's anything good.

I'm seeing some concern there as well back home in Sunbury County, New Brunswick, Canada.

It's rare to see a Big Buck of late where my country home is.

That sickens me.

[Rodgers12]

TT needs to be held accountable for finding the second safety IMO.

There's not even a bona fide #1 safety on the roster.

Burnett looks good when he was playing alongside Nick Collins. Now he's trying to fill Collins' shoes; has been average at best.

[Rodgers12]

Hi th87:

Good Luck with that "Save Our Bucks Campaign", Packer fan

WIH is wrong with those in charge of Whitetail Deer Management? You cannot have season after season of taking the good male genes out of a herd and imagine that's anything good.

I'm seeing some concern there as well back home in Sunbury County, New Brunswick, Canada.

It's rare to see a Big Buck of late where my country home is.

That sickens me.

I could be wrong, but I think "Save Our Bucks" is about saving the Milwaukee Bucks, and not Bambi.

On a second thought, you do have a good point about bucks and the Bucks: You cannot have season after season of taking the good male genes out of a herd and imagine that's anything good.

The Bucks have been good at getting rid of their good male genes since they traded away Ferdinand Lewis Alcindor, Jr. See Ray Allen, Dirk Nowitski, etc., for more examples.

[woodbuck27]

I could be wrong, but I think "Save Our Bucks" is about saving the Milwaukee Bucks, and not Bambi.

OK ... I'm thinking Canadian.

Still when it comes to $bucks$; The Bucks or Whitetail Bucks I say:

Save em all.

[th87]

I could be wrong, but I think "Save Our Bucks" is about saving the Milwaukee Bucks, and not Bambi.

On a second thought, you do have a good point about bucks and the Bucks: You cannot have season after season of taking the good male genes out of a herd and imagine that's anything good.

The Bucks have been good at getting rid of their good male genes since they traded away Ferdinand Lewis Alcindor, Jr. See Ray Allen, Dirk Nowitski, etc., for more examples.

Ha correct you are (http://saveourbucks.com). I was thinking Woodbuck was saying the same thing. But it isn't trades that screw the Milwaukee Bucks - it's the haphazard chase for mediocrity and a refusal to rebuild. Think Selig Brewers or 80s Packers.

Sorry to derail the discussion.

[packrulz]

Any D will suffer if they are on the field too long, I don't blame Capers for that. Too many 3 and outs. It's remarkable the Packers are still in contention since they lost their starting QB, LT, WR, TE, and many defensive players to injury. Losing Woodson hurt, Jennings has been getting burned, Burnett is trying but needs help. Jury is still out on Richardson. Hyde can play safety but he's not ideal size. TWill may never be back to what he was. House needs more time. ILB could be better. Brad Jones is failing, Hawk is steady but doesn't have coverage skills. Pick is getting old, Raji is trying but needs help. I do blame Capers for the awful tackling, too often the players are in correct position to make the play, yet can't tackle the guy. Grab, grab, grab! Lombardi would be pissed. Another poster remarked that the D is not inspired, I agree. Good defenses love to tackle, inflict pain. Anyway, they need more talent at DL, LB, FS, & CB. Firing Capers would be a mistake.