FOR THOSE WHO HATE CAPERS.....

[pbmax]

Its also possible Hawk blows this. Perry is manned up on the TE, Shields is off and Burnett I think has come up from 2 deep to cover the third receiver to this side. Hawk might have to adjust the call in this formation 3x1 to take the flat himself. Forte will cross in front of both ILBs position near the LOS. Hawk is clearly expecting a receiver coming into his area. I probably side on Hawk knowing the call both as a vet, the signal caller and the fact that Perry is the first to peel off and head toward Forte.

Its also possible Lattimore has some responsibility as no receiver is in his area.

[pbmax]

Here is the other Forte TD, perhaps the one wist was referring to as the ball is on the 1. Bear are 3 WR-1 TE- 1 RB, but this close to the end zone seems an odd place to worry about LB coverage or being beaten deep. Raji penetrates and takes himself out of the play, easily blocked, Pickett beats the first block and falls down. Perry almost gets there in time from the left.

[Smeefers]

Clefty watched the NFL Network "life of Lombardi" program (part1). John Madden described going to an all-day conference where Lombardi was to teach offense. Madden thought he knew it all, but Lombardi spent an entire 8 hours just on the sweep. Madden afterwards: "I realized I knew nothing about football." Lombardi taught that play and his players practiced it until they couldn't stand it anymore.

Football, like all disciplines depends on the effective conveyance of knowledge, through that most ancient of professions, teaching. Packers need to teach gap assignment like Lombardi.

Well, if you have a couple of coaches like lombardi laying around, I'm sure MM could find a place for them somewhere on the team. Maybe assistant offensive line coach or something....

[Smeefers]

In part it could be the inevitable consequence of a youthful roster.

3 years in, you're a vet. You've been there and done that and there shouldn't be any real surprises. I'm not saying guys are perfect, but you should be putting yourself in positions to make plays on a more consistent basis. We have a whole lot of 3+ year guys who just look lost. They should be the ones covering for the rooks who stumble around out there like they've never played a down before. Some of these guys are looking wide eyed stupid way more often than they should be.

[pbmax]

The other thing we are forgetting is tendency. How much do the Bears run out of 1 TE, 1 RB near the goal line?

[KYPack]

Well, if you have a couple of coaches like lombardi laying around, I'm sure MM could find a place for them somewhere on the team. Maybe assistant offensive line coach or something....

Part 2 is on NFL channel tonite.

The 50's Giants had Lombardi coaching the offense and Tom Landry coaching the defense. Somebody asked the HC (Jim Lee Howell) what he did. Howell said he just kept the balls inflated and took attendance. Old Giants will tell you, he wasn't joking.

[woodbuck27]

I'll be...back !

[Rutnstrut]

I'll be...back !

He better not be, mark my words. A pathetic defensive showing, will kill us in the play offs.

[wist43]

Not a big La Canfora fan, but he's got Capers as being on the "hot seat".

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24391752/monday-observations-stagnant-offenses-could-use-coordinator-changes

"Packers defensive coordinator: Yes they made the playoffs and yes they have some injuries and yes they have had some top players not performing at a top level. But for a team with annual Super Bowl hopes, Green Bay has allowed a ton of yards and points and Dom Capers has been under fire for a few years now.

"Do they turn it over to someone on staff? Find a young coordinator elsewhere? It would not be a surprise if they do, especially if the 49ers find a way to tear through that Packers defense as they did a year ago."

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Personally I don't think they will dump Capers - it's mind numbing, but they seem to be content with the result they're getting.

To me, the 2-4 is such an obvious disaster, and the misuse of players relative to their strengths and weaknesses is just as obvious - yet MM doesn't step in and force changes. If MM isn't concerned enough to get involved with the defense, then he must be content to simply let Dom keep on keepin' on.

[woodbuck27]

Not a big La Canfora fan, but he's got Capers as being on the "hot seat".

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24391752/monday-observations-stagnant-offenses-could-use-coordinator-changes

"Packers defensive coordinator: Yes they made the playoffs and yes they have some injuries and yes they have had some top players not performing at a top level. But for a team with annual Super Bowl hopes, Green Bay has allowed a ton of yards and points and Dom Capers has been under fire for a few years now.

"Do they turn it over to someone on staff? Find a young coordinator elsewhere? It would not be a surprise if they do, especially if the 49ers find a way to tear through that Packers defense as they did a year ago."

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Personally I don't think they will dump Capers - it's mind numbing, but they seem to be content with the result they're getting.

To me, the 2-4 is such an obvious disaster, and the misuse of players relative to their strengths and weaknesses is just as obvious - yet MM doesn't step in and force changes. If MM isn't concerned enough to get involved with the defense, then he must be content to simply let Dom keep on keepin' on.

Then MM is the one indeed ultimately responsible if the Packer defense fails again next season and should be FIRED before the 2015 season!

If that's not done and the defensive failure continues into next season (2014). How long does any die hard TT/MM fan believe it will be before Packer Nation is screaming for a change at the top? Green Bay Packer fans must demand clear success in the form of Super Bowls not simply NFCN championships and 'zippo nothing in the playoffs'.

TT and MM have to act right after this season to improve the team overall and should certainly know if the defective defense is on the coach's scheme (Dom Capers) and the defensive coaching staff or players and talent (Ted Thompson). We're now very aware from recent Mike McCarthy reactions to what Dom Capers does in terms of preparation and the 'D'. To clearly realize that Mike McCarthy loves Dom Capers. You can't critique DC Dom Capers harshly; nor do the same in regards to ST Coach Shawn Slocum. See them returned and continued failure and not justifiably demand the axe fal lon Mike McCarthy's head.

If the team continues to fail in these playoffs do we simply pass it off with a shrug? I expect nothing less that a win Sunday and we will get that. Anything less than that is utter bullshit.

This isn't Rocket Science Packerrats.

Something must give sooner than later or pack the bunch of them out of Green Bay. Yes isn't that shocking. How could I possibly write such heresy? Why? because I'm 'a Green Bay Packer to win fan' and nothing less than that with Aaron Rodgers is acceptable to me. If the Packers lose Sunday something must be done in this off season.

Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy have to act in full accordance with need for the team. The status quo isn't at all the order of the day. I'm centering this criticism on the Packer defense and that defense is clearly sick.

I so very much want the Green Bay Packer to succeed against the San Fran 49ers this Sunday. I expect not hope for a win over that team this time around. If that fails to happen!? I want mike McCarthy and Ted Thompson to show me some balls. Show me that they are competent enough to demonstrate a clear need for change. Stay on point for another Super Bowl in the Aaron Rodgers era.

I do not expect, nor will I excuse any Packer loss to the San Fran 49ers; based in any lame excuse of injuries or too much adversity. All that comes with the game and clearly now we're all aware of just how much Aaron Rodgers pulls a sheet over an incompetent Packer NO DEFENSE. A defense that is at the top of the bottom one third of the NFL, isn't helping the Green Bay Packers high powered Aaron Rodgers led offense to a deep run in the playoffs. An NFC Championship and a Super Bowl victory.

Y'all joke about the rag tag teams we have to defeat to win the NFCN. If Y'all are correct then what has an NFCN win over these easy to defeat teams in the NFCN stood for in terms of playoff victories? How well are we doing Packerrats and we have arguably the very best NFL player today as our QB (Aaron Rodgers) in a QB driven league.

NFCN Championships (3 straight now) don't men diddly squat, if the Green Bay Packers continue to face the very best of NFL teams and fail to compete in the playoffs. As that may continue. Who's to blame for that continued failure?

Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy. Any such failure is straight in their faces.

A failure this time around and it's too clear what we all must demand as Packer fans.

It's all on MM and his coaching staff right now to prepare what Packer GM Ted Thompson has managed to supply them. Any failure after that and we need a lot more. We need a definite change or face the consequences. The free ride is over.

What we have today as a team. That has to be enough. I expect that it will be enough or there must bloody well be changes. This friendly little back slapping act in Green Bay is getting old. I want more.


GO PACKERS...GO PACK GO !

[wist43]

Here is the other Forte TD, perhaps the one wist was referring to as the ball is on the 1. Bear are 3 WR-1 TE- 1 RB, but this close to the end zone seems an odd place to worry about LB coverage or being beaten deep. Raji penetrates and takes himself out of the play, easily blocked, Pickett beats the first block and falls down. Perry almost gets there in time from the left.

I think maybe I was conflating this play with Forte's 5 yd TD run?? Because Bennett is in-line as a blocker on this play. I'll have to go back and look and see if they were in an I on Forte's 5 yd run.

If you follow this play thru though, look at the RT. He fires off the line and has absolutely no one to hit!! First and goal from the 1, and Capers only has 2 DL on the field?? What's wrong with that picture??

I did go back and look at Forte's 5 yd TD run... same thing. Lined up in the 2-4, and Forte bouces off LT untouched.

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With most of our talent in the front seven stockpiled on the DL, Capers should be using more 3 and 4 man lines; but he hasn't, and he won't. He misuses everyone in that front seven, and negates their strengths as a result.

McGinn wrote that Capers used 3 DL on only 4 of 50 snaps.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/rating-the-packers-vs-bears-b99174226z1-238200141.html

B.J. Raji (32) was more active. He was getting off the ball, attacking blocks better and hustling in pursuit. He was moved out too easily by LT Jermon Bushrod on Matt Forte's 5-yard TD. This didn't qualify as one of the many superb performances Raji has had against Chicago, but it was a step in the right direction. Ryan Pickett (25) gave as good as he got against RG Kyle Long, the strapping rookie. It was another sub game against the Bears; just four of the 50 snaps came in the 3-4 base front. Thus, Josh Boyd (nine) didn't play much and C.J. Wilson was inactive in favor of Jerel Worthy, whose two snaps came on third-and-double digits. Boyd blew up a trap with penetration, leading to a 5-yard loss for Forte at the Green Bay 40 and a punt. Energetic Mike Daniels (26) could muster just one pressure. Datone Jones had five snaps.

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With our LB's being both pedestrian and inexperienced, it only makes sense to play to your stronger position. CJ Wilson was inactive, Pickett and Daniels played half the snaps, Jones only played 5 snaps (is he still injured??).

Bottom line is, I hate this style of small ball. It is a misuse of talent, and the results have been dismal more often than not for 3 years now. I would hope TT has seen enough, but I doubt it. I think we're stuck with Capers forever

[woodbuck27]

I think maybe I was conflating this play with Forte's 5 yd TD run?? Because Bennett is in-line as a blocker on this play. I'll have to go back and look and see if they were in an I on Forte's 5 yd run.

If you follow this play thru though, look at the RT. He fires off the line and has absolutely no one to hit!! First and goal from the 1, and Capers only has 2 DL on the field?? What's wrong with that picture??

I did go back and look at Forte's 5 yd TD run... same thing. Lined up in the 2-4, and Forte bouces off LT untouched.

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With most of our talent in the front seven stockpiled on the DL, Capers should be using more 3 and 4 man lines; but he hasn't, and he won't. He misuses everyone in that front seven, and negates their strengths as a result.

McGinn wrote that Capers used 3 DL on only 4 of 50 snaps.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/rating-the-packers-vs-bears-b99174226z1-238200141.html

B.J. Raji (32) was more active. He was getting off the ball, attacking blocks better and hustling in pursuit. He was moved out too easily by LT Jermon Bushrod on Matt Forte's 5-yard TD. This didn't qualify as one of the many superb performances Raji has had against Chicago, but it was a step in the right direction. Ryan Pickett (25) gave as good as he got against RG Kyle Long, the strapping rookie. It was another sub game against the Bears; just four of the 50 snaps came in the 3-4 base front. Thus, Josh Boyd (nine) didn't play much and C.J. Wilson was inactive in favor of Jerel Worthy, whose two snaps came on third-and-double digits. Boyd blew up a trap with penetration, leading to a 5-yard loss for Forte at the Green Bay 40 and a punt. Energetic Mike Daniels (26) could muster just one pressure. Datone Jones had five snaps.

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With our LB's being both pedestrian and inexperienced, it only makes sense to play to your stronger position. CJ Wilson was inactive, Pickett and Daniels played half the snaps, Jones only played 5 snaps (is he still injured??).

Bottom line is, I hate this style of small ball. It is a misuse of talent, and the results have been dismal more often than not for 3 years now. I would hope TT has seen enough, but I doubt it. I think we're stuck with Capers forever

I believe again that your right.

DOM CAPERS Is like the Queen.

She isn't going anywhere. She will remain...'the Queen'.

Dom CAPERS will remain " 'the QUEEN' Of THE GREEN BAY PACKERS ... NONDEFENSE ".

LONG LIVE QUEENS !!

[Fritz]

Not a big La Canfora fan, but he's got Capers as being on the "hot seat".

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24391752/monday-observations-stagnant-offenses-could-use-coordinator-changes

"Packers defensive coordinator: Yes they made the playoffs and yes they have some injuries and yes they have had some top players not performing at a top level. But for a team with annual Super Bowl hopes, Green Bay has allowed a ton of yards and points and Dom Capers has been under fire for a few years now.

"Do they turn it over to someone on staff? Find a young coordinator elsewhere? It would not be a surprise if they do, especially if the 49ers find a way to tear through that Packers defense as they did a year ago."

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Personally I don't think they will dump Capers - it's mind numbing, but they seem to be content with the result they're getting.

To me, the 2-4 is such an obvious disaster, and the misuse of players relative to their strengths and weaknesses is just as obvious - yet MM doesn't step in and force changes. If MM isn't concerned enough to get involved with the defense, then he must be content to simply let Dom keep on keepin' on.

Sadly, the stuff from La Canfora is what passes for reporting these days. Look at it - 'Dom Capers has been under fire" and "it would not be a surprise if..." ? That's just speculation. I could write that here in Packerrats. That's just words. Because the guy gets interviewed he's to be believed?

As for the possibility, I've made it clear I'm just not a big 3-4, two gap person. I think it handcuffs your best talent (Raji, most especially, and Daniels to some extent, and Worthy, too, if he's any good).

But Woody, when you wrote this..."If the team continues to fail in these playoffs do we simply pass it off with a shrug? I expect nothing less that a win Sunday and we will get that. Anything less than that is utter bullshit." Well, that's just crazy. I thought we were all basking in the glow of this unexpected NFC North title, and now you've moved on to "if we don't win I'm going to take my ball and go home"? What happened, Woodrow? Did the meds wear off, or kick in?

[mraynrand]

I think maybe I was conflating this play with Forte's 5 yd TD run?? Because Bennett is in-line as a blocker on this play. I'll have to go back and look and see if they were in an I on Forte's 5 yd run.

If you follow this play thru though, look at the RT. He fires off the line and has absolutely no one to hit!! First and goal from the 1, and Capers only has 2 DL on the field?? What's wrong with that picture??

I did go back and look at Forte's 5 yd TD run... same thing. Lined up in the 2-4, and Forte bouces off LT untouched.

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With most of our talent in the front seven stockpiled on the DL, Capers should be using more 3 and 4 man lines; but he hasn't, and he won't. He misuses everyone in that front seven, and negates their strengths as a result.

McGinn wrote that Capers used 3 DL on only 4 of 50 snaps.

B.J. Raji (32) was more active. He was getting off the ball, attacking blocks better and hustling in pursuit. He was moved out too easily by LT Jermon Bushrod on Matt Forte's 5-yard TD. This didn't qualify as one of the many superb performances Raji has had against Chicago, but it was a step in the right direction. Ryan Pickett (25) gave as good as he got against RG Kyle Long, the strapping rookie. It was another sub game against the Bears; just four of the 50 snaps came in the 3-4 base front. Thus, Josh Boyd (nine) didn't play much and C.J. Wilson was inactive in favor of Jerel Worthy, whose two snaps came on third-and-double digits. Boyd blew up a trap with penetration, leading to a 5-yard loss for Forte at the Green Bay 40 and a punt. Energetic Mike Daniels (26) could muster just one pressure. Datone Jones had five snaps.

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With our LB's being both pedestrian and inexperienced, it only makes sense to play to your stronger position. CJ Wilson was inactive, Pickett and Daniels played half the snaps, Jones only played 5 snaps (is he still injured??).

Bottom line is, I hate this style of small ball. It is a misuse of talent, and the results have been dismal more often than not for 3 years now. I would hope TT has seen enough, but I doubt it. I think we're stuck with Capers forever

Packers D is lined up against an offense with four receivers over 6'4" and a running back who can catch as well as any WR. You want them to defend the Bears as though they are a run first team, when they have to defense 5 pretty talented receivers. Packer need pass rushers who can disrupt plays, get penetration, get hands up, etc., not pretend it's the 70s with Walter Payton on the other side of the LOS.

[woodbuck27]

Packers D is lined up against an offense with four receivers over 6'4" and a running back who can catch as well as any WR. You want them to defend the Bears as though they are a run first team, when they have to defense 5 pretty talented receivers. Packer need pass rushers who can disrupt plays, get penetration, get hands up, etc., not pretend it's the 70s with Walter Payton on the other side of the LOS.

mmmm.... Good point ... mmmm.

Packers and penetration, disruption, hurries and SACKS of the opposition QB is invalid in any conversation and our lousy overall defense.

Just let them score and get on with the game.