FOR THOSE WHO HATE CAPERS.....

[mraynrand]

Bears were 13 points away from setting a franchise record for points scored - would have surpassed '85 Bears. They have some serious talent, and the Packers are defending it with.... Mulumba, Lattimore, Richardson, Boyd, etc. 4-3, 3-4 - the debate is how guys are used or misused. There's some logic in these debates, but when you're dealing with guys that screw up gap assignment, you can play box-and-one and it doesn't make any difference. Is that a coaching problem? Sure, but it's also an experience problem. Packers are flooded with young guys, even some guys playing their third year have barely played a years' worth due to injury. That's just reality. The other extreme is to pull a George Allen and collect veterans who are trustworthy, but then you get the problems at that end of tired bodies just when you need vigor most, in the playoffs. It would be nice to add some veteran experience, but that might require two words that begin with F and A, with all it's potential pitfalls.

My bottom line is that I think even a reasonably healthy Packer defense isn't good enough, but the problem is more than scheme, it's personnel too, and I don't think draft only is going to be enough to improve it.

[woodbuck27]

Bears were 13 points away from setting a franchise record for points scored - would have surpassed '85 Bears. They have some serious talent, and the Packers are defending it with.... Mulumba, Lattimore, Richardson, Boyd, etc. 4-3, 3-4 - the debate is how guys are used or misused. There's some logic in these debates, but when you're dealing with guys that screw up gap assignment, you can play box-and-one and it doesn't make any difference. Is that a coaching problem? Sure, but it's also an experience problem. Packers are flooded with young guys, even some guys playing their third year have barely played a years' worth due to injury. That's just reality. The other extreme is to pull a George Allen and collect veterans who are trustworthy, but then you get the problems at that end of tired bodies just when you need vigor most, in the playoffs. It would be nice to add some veteran experience, but that might require two words that begin with F and A, with all it's potential pitfalls.

My bottom line is that I think even a reasonably healthy Packer defense isn't good enough, but the problem is more than scheme, it's personnel too, and I don't think draft only is going to be enough to improve it.

In two words:

Nailed it.

More:

That's a problem for Mike McCarthy and Ted Thompson to correct in this Off Season. That must be ... corrected.

[ThunderDan]

In two words:

Nailed it.

More:

That's a problem for Mike McCarthy and Ted Thompson to correct in this Off Season. That must be ... corrected.

Woody, what do you think MM and TT do?

They are in the building 110+ hours a week during the season and 80+ hours per week during the offseason.

Do you actually think that TT and MM don't see that the ST and D has been poor this year? Are they really that dumb that the Packers pay both of them millions of dollars a year but they can't see what is actually happening on the field?

If it was that easy to correct the problem wouldn't every other team in the NFL correct their problems too every year?

I would guess that TT and MM have forgotten more about football than anyone on this site has ever known! (Complete over the top exaggeration to make a point!)

[woodbuck27]

Woody, what do you think MM and TT do?

They are in the building 110+ hours a week during the season and 80+ hours per week during the offseason.

Do you actually think that TT and MM don't see that the ST and D has been poor this year? Are they really that dumb that the Packers pay both of them millions of dollars a year but they can't see what is actually happening on the field?

If it was that easy to correct the problem wouldn't every other team in the NFL correct their problems too every year?

I would guess that TT and MM have forgotten more about football than anyone on this site has ever known! (Complete over the top exaggeration to make a point!)

Sorry sonny but you idealize Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy.

There are certainly smarter Packer fans than those two. That's the bona fide TRUTH.

[pbmax]

I think the Forte catch and run demonstrates why he prefers the 2-4 to be the nickel. That doesn't explain the goal line formation, however.

But the Bears had 12 TDs rushing (did not count QB) and 32 receiving TDs. No idea how many came from goal line.

In the play from the 1, they have double Marshall, do you want to double Marshall with Perry or Hawk?

The one thing the Bears tend to do is forget about Forte. I think Capers is playing tendency here.

I do completely agree that being undermanned at OLB contributes to the problem. However, with Jolly out the next two lineman for run D are Boyd and Worthy (Wilson was inactive). That doesn't inspire much more confidence than Mulumba.

[Pugger]

I think ST play is hurting this year because of injuries to starters. The best thing about ST this year is the resurgence of Crosby.

Our D has had issues keeping contain and tackling for a while. I'm sure the coaches harp on it every day but it isn't sinking in. Will a new voice (DC) make a difference or do we need players who are more disciplined?

[Pugger]

Sorry sonny but you idealize Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy.

There are certainly smarter Packer fans than those two. That's the bona fide TRUTH.

Are you calling MM and TT fans?

Our HC and GM aren't perfect but I think you are more severe in your criticism than most. There are only a handful of other guys I'd rather have running this ball club. I can't think of many other coaching staffs that could overcome the adversity we endured this year - especially losing their MVP QB - and still get this team into the post season. If we never lost Rodgers for 2 months I submit we would have been the #2 seed instead of the #4.

[ThunderDan]

Sorry sonny but you idealize Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy.

There are certainly smarter Packer fans than those two. That's the bona fide TRUTH.

Woody, you are funny!

[woodbuck27]

Are you calling MM and TT fans?

Our HC and GM aren't perfect but I think you are more severe in your criticism than most. There are only a handful of other guys I'd rather have running this ball club. I can't think of many other coaching staffs that could overcome the adversity we endured this year - especially losing their MVP QB - and still get this team into the post season. If we never lost Rodgers for 2 months I submit we would have been the #2 seed instead of the #4.

With me it's always about what have you done for me today to win tomorrow Pugger.

Anything less than what I admire in Bill Belichick isn't enough.

That man is clearly the ultimate in managing and coaching his team.

He'll not ever write a book on 'The Belichick Way' until maybe? ..... after he retires. That man lives Pat's every minute he breaths.

I like Bill Belichick's in your face visability and focus on always maximizing the best chance for the Pat's to win.

I simply wish for more of Belichick in Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy and all they have that's better ....maintained.

[ThunderDan]

With me it's always about what have you done for me today to win tomorrow Pugger.

Anything less than what I admire in Bill Belichick isn't enough.

That man is clearly the ultimate in managing and coaching his team.

He'll not ever write a book on 'The Belichick Way' until maybe? ..... after he retires. That man lives Pat's every minute he breaths.

I like Bill Belichick's in your face visability and focus on always maximizing the best chance for the Pat's to win.

I simply wish for more of Belichick in Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy and all they have that's better ....maintained.

Are you complaining about Belichick this year? Their D has given up more yards per game than ours! By a yard per game.

Funny how perception blinds the results.

[bobblehead]

I think maybe I was conflating this play with Forte's 5 yd TD run?? Because Bennett is in-line as a blocker on this play. I'll have to go back and look and see if they were in an I on Forte's 5 yd run.

If you follow this play thru though, look at the RT. He fires off the line and has absolutely no one to hit!! First and goal from the 1, and Capers only has 2 DL on the field?? What's wrong with that picture??

I did go back and look at Forte's 5 yd TD run... same thing. Lined up in the 2-4, and Forte bouces off LT untouched.

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With most of our talent in the front seven stockpiled on the DL, Capers should be using more 3 and 4 man lines; but he hasn't, and he won't. He misuses everyone in that front seven, and negates their strengths as a result.

McGinn wrote that Capers used 3 DL on only 4 of 50 snaps.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/rating-the-packers-vs-bears-b99174226z1-238200141.html

B.J. Raji (32) was more active. He was getting off the ball, attacking blocks better and hustling in pursuit. He was moved out too easily by LT Jermon Bushrod on Matt Forte's 5-yard TD. This didn't qualify as one of the many superb performances Raji has had against Chicago, but it was a step in the right direction. Ryan Pickett (25) gave as good as he got against RG Kyle Long, the strapping rookie. It was another sub game against the Bears; just four of the 50 snaps came in the 3-4 base front. Thus, Josh Boyd (nine) didn't play much and C.J. Wilson was inactive in favor of Jerel Worthy, whose two snaps came on third-and-double digits. Boyd blew up a trap with penetration, leading to a 5-yard loss for Forte at the Green Bay 40 and a punt. Energetic Mike Daniels (26) could muster just one pressure. Datone Jones had five snaps.

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With our LB's being both pedestrian and inexperienced, it only makes sense to play to your stronger position. CJ Wilson was inactive, Pickett and Daniels played half the snaps, Jones only played 5 snaps (is he still injured??).

Bottom line is, I hate this style of small ball. It is a misuse of talent, and the results have been dismal more often than not for 3 years now. I would hope TT has seen enough, but I doubt it. I think we're stuck with Capers forever

One thing I often say is that you have to attack what the D gives you. We give up rushing yards. So extensively that 2nd and 8 is becoming a running down against us. Its also why I say a TE who can't block is a slow receiver. I would love to see them lineup next year (or next week) with 4WR and Quarless. When the D goes into the dime, shift Quarless tight, Cobb into the backfield and run all day. Sign Danny Woodhead or Reggie Bush types and exemplify the problem for defenses. In todays specialized age, we will see this happen more. NFL adjusts often. 3 years ago I predicted that teams would start running more against the constant nickel defenses, and D's that put pass rushers across the front who can't play the run (see eagles dream team). Next up is teams that have offenses that are designed to attack whichever specialized D you put in front of them.

[pbmax]

One thing I often say is that you have to attack what the D gives you. We give up rushing yards. So extensively that 2nd and 8 is becoming a running down against us. Its also why I say a TE who can't block is a slow receiver. I would love to see them lineup next year (or next week) with 4WR and Quarless. When the D goes into the dime, shift Quarless tight, Cobb into the backfield and run all day. Sign Danny Woodhead or Reggie Bush types and exemplify the problem for defenses. In todays specialized age, we will see this happen more. NFL adjusts often. 3 years ago I predicted that teams would start running more against the constant nickel defenses, and D's that put pass rushers across the front who can't play the run (see eagles dream team). Next up is teams that have offenses that are designed to attack whichever specialized D you put in front of them.

That is the essence of the problem with the Packers D now. They aren't stopping either run or pass. Short yardage and turnovers suddenly, seem to the be bright spots.

[bobblehead]

Sorry sonny but you idealize Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy.

There are certainly smarter Packer fans than those two. That's the bona fide TRUTH.

Woody, I will put my IQ up against MM and/or TT and most of the population, but in terms of football IQ...Sorry, they have more collective knowledge than this entire board put together.

[bobblehead]

I think the Forte catch and run demonstrates why he prefers the 2-4 to be the nickel. That doesn't explain the goal line formation, however.

But the Bears had 12 TDs rushing (did not count QB) and 32 receiving TDs. No idea how many came from goal line.

In the play from the 1, they have double Marshall, do you want to double Marshall with Perry or Hawk?

The one thing the Bears tend to do is forget about Forte. I think Capers is playing tendency here.

I do completely agree that being undermanned at OLB contributes to the problem. However, with Jolly out the next two lineman for run D are Boyd and Worthy (Wilson was inactive). That doesn't inspire much more confidence than Mulumba.

Which begs the question, why was tolzien active, and Wilson inactive. Must be hurt still?

[woodbuck27]

Woody, I will put my IQ up against MM and/or TT and most of the population, but in terms of football IQ...Sorry, they have more collective knowledge than this entire board put together.

I would do the same. I'm positive that if I had to bet on it I'd back myself. I'd bet that neither of them has an IQ as high as mine is. Their IQ is inferior to mine. Their emotional IQ is most clearly lower than mine. I've dealt with difficult situations in my life and came through over the top more than I've failed.

Football IQ. mmmm

I've seen plenty of evidence that your mistaken. WE DO... have members on this board that have considerable ability to do as good or a better job that those two men. I'm positive if we had their resources we'd trump both of them.

I'm totally sincere in my position and this. We have some very bright minds on this board.

TT and MM make some real bonehead moves; worse, and too often their paralyzed to do anything.

The paint on TT's wall... too often never dries.