Bush

[woodbuck27]

Except Walden is an OLB, with different responsibilities, and it's been discussed to death that on plays like those, someone else had the responsibility
to scrape or keep outside contain. So the question remains whether Bush abandoned his contain responsibilities or not.

Who could ever us the words " Packers defense " and " keep outside contain ", in the same sentence !?

Do so positively and with any sense of reality and the team we see marched out onto the field over this past three seasons?

Packers 'D' and sealing the edge...Ha ha ha ... Haa !

[wist43]

I don't know why some of you guys are having a hard time wrapping your brains around this...

Just b/c Bush's assignment on the play was to blitz doesn't mean that is his only responsibility. They were in man coverage - he knows that, which means he also knows that there is nothing behind him. If he gives up the outside - pure and simple, the QB is gone - which is what happened.

It's not that complicated. When he came on the blitz, he needed to take on Gore's left shoulder and try to power him back into Kapnerfucker. By doing that, he ensures that the QB stays in the pocket and doesn't escape to the outside.

The 2 things he CANNOT do on that play are 1) He cannot overrun the QB to the top side, and 2) he cannot come underneath any blocker.

If he does either one of those things - the QB has a mile of unoccupied real estate in front of him for the taking. Which is exactly what ended up happening when Bush committed sin #2.

It's simple football IQ.

[mraynrand]

I don't know why some of you guys are having a hard time wrapping your brains around this...

Just b/c Bush's assignment on the play was to blitz doesn't mean that is his only responsibility. They were in man coverage - he knows that, which means he also knows that there is nothing behind him. If he gives up the outside - pure and simple, the QB is gone - which is what happened.

It's not that complicated. When he came on the blitz, he needed to take on Gore's left shoulder and try to power him back into Kapnerfucker. By doing that, he ensures that the QB stays in the pocket and doesn't escape to the outside.

The 2 things he CANNOT do on that play are 1) He cannot overrun the QB to the top side, and 2) he cannot come underneath any blocker.

If he does either one of those things - the QB has a mile of unoccupied real estate in front of him for the taking. Which is exactly what ended up happening when Bush committed sin #2.

It's simple football IQ.

Blitzers and pass rushers don't always have more than one goal; in this case Bush did. It looked like a blown play, but I wasn't sure whether it was Bush or someone else. Now I know. It's not always obvious to me from the film exactly what they're running and who has what responsibility. Credit Aikman for knowing immediately. But I wasn't listening to him, I was screaming for someone to tackle Kap because I knew that was the game and the season right there. You should announce games too if you knew right away what was being run and who had what assignment. I congratulate you as well for your insight.

[sharpe1027]

Whenever Bush makes a mistake there's someone telling everyone I told you "so", nevermind all the mistakes made by other players. Your right, of course, our last string DB is not that good. I wager he's better than average for being that far down on the depth chart, not to mention the flexibility to fill in at multiple positions in a pinch. In any event, thanks you guys for telling as all "so."

[mraynrand]

I also question the logic of bringing Bush on a blitz and then asking him to also be on an island against Kap to stop any run. After all the talk of contain and scraping and giving help, it seems insane to combine man coverage with a blitz and then have that blitzer also have sole edge contain responsibility. Who would do such a thing against the 49ers? Doesn't seem like simple football IQ to me.

[wist43]

2nd Quarter, 11:58 on the clock.

1:27:30 of the video

LeRoy Butler blitzes Drew Bledsoe and takes on RB Dave Meggett's block.

He takes Meggett's left shoulder and keeps outside leverage. This was back in the days when you could horse collar, and Bledsoe was never a threat to bolt the pocket, so Butler didn't have to worry as much about overrunning the QB to the top side here, but this is essentially how Bush needed to take on Gore's block.

[woodbuck27]

Blitzers and pass rushers don't always have more than one goal; in this case Bush did. It looked like a blown play, but I wasn't sure whether it was Bush or someone else. Now I know. It's not always obvious to me from the film exactly what they're running and who has what responsibility. Credit Aikman for knowing immediately. But I wasn't listening to him, I was screaming for someone to tackle Kap because I knew that was the game and the season right there. You should announce games too if you knew right away what was being run and who had what assignment. I congratulate you as well for your insight.

If you have to visit the washroom to take care of business and your going right now but the door bell rings.

What do you do?

You identify any real problem and take care of that which is most necessary.

It was certainly more necessary on that play to contain the mans legs that burned you a lot before.

The Packers lost this game over and over so many times it's ridiculous and at the end of the day this was simply just one of those reasons.

The San Fran 49ers were too ripe for the picking and our team simply across the board blew it...blew that golden chance out of the fricken water.

I'm so damn disappointed in the Packers and that loss I cannot even allow myself to go there for I could explode with anger.

I have to somehow find the comical side to deal with that atrocious loss.

The Green Bay Packers as a team shit their pants. That result let down players like Eddie Lacy, Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Tramon Williams's (overall game) and Mike Daniels and not many more.

Aaron Rodgers was right back to his too perfectionist ways. James Jones found his dropsies again. Micah Hyde forgot that the football in the NFL is similar to the one used in the NFL.

There is over the top too much to critique right now.

I hope that will go away. That I'll feel some healing as a Green Bay packer fan. I know this.

I'll never forget this ugly loss that just simply didn't have to be.

[wist43]

Guys, this is simple stuff... Bush just needs to make sure he takes Gore's left shoulder to maintain outside leverage. This is basic stuff.

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

If you have to visit the washroom to take care of business and your going right now but the door bell rings.

What do you do?

You identify any real problem and take care of that which is most necessary.

It was certainly more necessary on that play to contain the mans legs that burned you a lot before.

The Packers lost this game over and over so many times it's ridiculous and at the end of the day this was simply just one of those reasons.

The San Fran 49ers were too ripe for the picking and our team simply across the board blew it...blew that golden chance out of the fricken water.

I'm so damn disappointed in the Packers and that loss I cannot even allow myself to go there for I could explode with anger.

I have to somehow find the comical side to deal with that atrocious loss.

Whiskey helps.....a little.

[woodbuck27]

Whiskey helps.....a little.

Right now I'll try some sausage.

[red]

Whenever Bush makes a mistake there's someone telling everyone I told you "so", nevermind all the mistakes made by other players. Your right, of course, our last string DB is not that good. I wager he's better than average for being that far down on the depth chart, not to mention the flexibility to fill in at multiple positions in a pinch. In any event, thanks you guys for telling as all "so."

yes, because this is the first time i've ever said bush sucked

and this thread was made tongue in cheek for those that were expecting me to go off on bush

[bobblehead]

Guys, this is simple stuff... Bush just needs to make sure he takes Gore's left shoulder to maintain outside leverage. This is basic stuff.

You are right. After we lost to them last year I said that against mobile QB's you have to collapse the pocket on them. That is how you disrupt them. If ever we see a truly athletic QB that also is a great pocket passer look out, because the big time threat to run means you get at least a full second extra in the pocket at nearly all times.

Last year we ran upfield over and over, then we bit on the read option even more times. We only blew contain twice in this game...I feel blessed.

[mraynrand]

2nd Quarter, 11:58 on the clock.

1:27:30 of the video

LeRoy Butler blitzes Drew Bledsoe and takes on RB Dave Meggett's block.

He takes Meggett's left shoulder and keeps outside leverage. This was back in the days when you could horse collar, and Bledsoe was never a threat to bolt the pocket, so Butler didn't have to worry as much about overrunning the QB to the top side here, but this is essentially how Bush needed to take on Gore's block.

Seriously, this is what you come up with? Bledsoe was never any threat to run.

[mraynrand]

You are right. After we lost to them last year I said that against mobile QB's you have to collapse the pocket on them. That is how you disrupt them. If ever we see a truly athletic QB that also is a great pocket passer look out, because the big time threat to run means you get at least a full second extra in the pocket at nearly all times.

Last year we ran upfield over and over, then we bit on the read option even more times. We only blew contain twice in this game...I feel blessed.

Except that he escaped upfield for close to 100 when collapsing the pocket. So on the play in question, does Capers leave Mulumba inside and trust Bush to get both pressure and keep contain - and have zero help if he fails?

[bobblehead]

Seriously, this is what you come up with? Bledsoe was never any threat to run.

You were both right. Aikman had the benefit of being able to see the entire field, we could not. It was only a guess whether Bush had contain or if he was all out, and Mulumba was spy with contain duties. Turns out it was on Bush. No way Wist knew that for certain before we heard it from the coaching staff. Aikman may have been able to see the whole field and being a former NFL QB knew for sure that it was on Bush.