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[woodbuck27]

That's it!

Wist, change your screen name to "Oliver Sudden".

If Darth Vader was described as usually right:

I'd recommend wist43's new screen name be:

Darth Vader 'Light'.

[woodbuck27]

Did you not see my comment where I said Bledsoe was never a threat to run?? I simply used Butler's blitz as an example of how Bush needed to maintain outside leverage. I remembered that play, so I used it as an example... I'm sure there are better examples, but not easy to find on youtube.

As I said in my original comment, I knew immediately that when Bush came under the block that we were screwed - you have to keep Kaepernick in the pocket, and Bush committed the sin of letting him out. Bush should have known full well that there was no one behind him - again, simple football IQ.

Stroke the Lion... don't kick the LION in the ass.

[mraynrand]

Oh, by the way, this is not Bush admitting McGinn or wist is right. Bush is talking about blitzing when the back is not going into the pattern. He might have had contain, but you still have no confirmation. Mulumba was behind all this, coverage or spy I am not sure.

"My job is the back"

I assumed Bush meant Backside of the defense. He meant running back. So we're back to square one. Who had contain responsibility?

[mraynrand]

Did you not see my comment where I said Bledsoe was never a threat to run?? I simply used Butler's blitz as an example of how Bush needed to maintain outside leverage. I remembered that play, so I used it as an example... I'm sure there are better examples, but not easy to find on youtube.

As I said in my original comment, I knew immediately that when Bush came under the block that we were screwed - you have to keep Kaepernick in the pocket, and Bush committed the sin of letting him out. Bush should have known full well that there was no one behind him - again, simple football IQ.

Like I said, When they kept Kap in the pocket he was able to scramble upfield, not run outside. The goal seemed to be to disrupt the pass, which worked, but they were unsound in contain, whoever was at fault.

And Butler was ass rushing aginst Dave Maggot, who was a tiny back. Outside, inside, he ran right through him to Bedsore. Totally different circumstances. That's my favorite play of SBXXXI, but I never considered Butler was playing outside technique or anything else on Maggot.

[mraynrand]

NO, we didn't collapse the pocket, that is the point. Bush lost outside leverage. When I say collapse the pocket I mean push it back into him and force him to move, but the edge rushers have to maintain contain. The edge guys push the tackles into the guards while the fatties in the middle push guards and center back. Thus it collapses on the QB. When he tries to scramble the outside guys release and pursue. Bush went inside the tackle and got pinned.

Again, Bush isn't an "Edge guy" It's totally different bringing a safety versus a rushing OLB. But I find it entirely plausible that the Packers had Bush rush Kap with the understanding that he was not to give up the edge, especially since it looked like Mulumba crashed inside. I'll assume Bush is at fault, until I see otherwise.

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I'll assume Bush is at fault, until I see otherwise.

in my experience, thats usually a pretty safe assumption

[wist43]

Like I said, When they kept Kap in the pocket he was able to scramble upfield, not run outside. The goal seemed to be to disrupt the pass, which worked, but they were unsound in contain, whoever was at fault.

And Butler was ass rushing aginst Dave Maggot, who was a tiny back. Outside, inside, he ran right through him to Bedsore. Totally different circumstances. That's my favorite play of SBXXXI, but I never considered Butler was playing outside technique or anything else on Maggot.

Good grief ayn, lol...

1) Bush was at fault - get over it. What he did was stupid. Pure and simple - stupid.

2) Butler didn't have to maintain outside leverage on his blitz, that is simply the route he took, and that is what Bush needed to do.

[Pugger]

I thought Mulumba dropped to spy or pick up Gore out of the backfield. I think he got caught out of position when Kap ran.

Bush has blitzed less than a dozen times this year and he flushed Kapernick. That makes Bush the Packers second most effective pressure artist after Daniels and its best blitzer.

He is fine. The rest of the D needs to improve around him. Perry was active and stout against the run, but even from his favored right side he got jack for pressure. Kap is terrible is a close pocket and the Packers could only get one guy close.

And poor Mulumba was playing on one leg in the end. Didn't he tweak his knee in that game? Good lord, I was half expecting MM and Capers to go ask anyone under 30 in the stands to suit up by the 4th quarter.

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And poor Mulumba was playing on one leg in the end. Didn't he tweak his knee in that game? Good lord, I was half expecting MM and Capers to go ask anyone under 30 in the stands to suit up by the 4th quarter.

yeah it was his knee, i was pretty surprised to see him back in there. but they honestly had no one else that could fill in for him

maybe they saw him come back in and knew he was hurting so they decided to run at him?

[wist43]

It would seem I'm not the only one that saw it


McGinn -

"When Capers rushed seven for the first time since Game 7, the blitzing Bush (10) committed the cardinal sin of giving up the outside on Kaepernick's 11-yard burst on third and 8. It was a horrible mental error."

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He said, "... horrible mental error". I said "stupid", close enough, lol...

[mraynrand]

Good grief ayn, lol...

1) Bush was at fault - get over it. What he did was stupid. Pure and simple - stupid.

I already did. And I cited McGinn from his article as IDing Bush as the guilty party. Still, your example of Butler rushing Bedsore was pretty much useless to the discussion, which was about containing Kap. If Bush is tasked with pass rush and containing the outside, and has responsibility for the RB, then he can't pass rush aggressively, regardless of shoulder, because a guy like Kap can get around either one, especially with a decent RB in there blocking.

[gbgary]

See McGinn article. Bush admitted he had contain responsibility; McGinn reported the same.

well hell. I was going by what another beat writer said. so bush admitted it...wow...never mind.