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    First of all... let's get it out of the way. The Niners are a uniquely talented team. They have been bad for so long and have the most #1 picks on their roster of any team in the league. They needed a culture change that Baalke and Harbaugh brought. They will soon run into money issues so it is what it is.

    The Packers need to make some significant changes to continue being competitive and being in a position to compete for the super bowl.

    1. Figure out why we are always near the top of the league in injuries. Somebody, probably PB, posted a chart a few weeks back detailing injuries over the past several seasons. The Packers were at or near the top. This has to stop. Whether it is a matter of Ted picking athletes with injury history, or what, I don't know, but something needs to change here.

    2. The dreaded 2-4 defense needs to go away. I'm damn sick of being in this micro-nickel all of the time. NFL teams are keeping three WRs out most plays now. It's time to adjust and be able to control the line of scrimmage. I would like to see the Packers use 3 down linemen every play. Period.

    3. Stronger up the middle. The Packers inside linebackers suck. The Packers safeties suck. The rest of the D is serviceable. They need sweeping, radical changes here.

    4. Significant Improvement in scouting. It's no surprise to see a draft-and-develop organization begin to fall off when their past 2-3 drafts have yielded little to no depth or talent. It isn't a shock to me that these drafts have taken a step down in quality after the departure of Reggie McKenzie, John Dorsey and John Schneider. It is unreasonable to expect a back-up to play as well as a pro-bowler, so it isn't too surprising that Alonzo Highsmith and Elliot Wolf aren't superstars yet. These guys need to be better, and the Packers need to draft better, or they need to make some changes in how they build their team. They will not be successful if they do not acquire more quality players.

    That's all for right now.

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    The 49ers played 2-4 most of the night.
    When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro ~Hunter S.

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    • #3
      Sometimes, the answer is pretty simple. We had too many injuries to go to the Super Bowl. A lot of the players starting on defense today were way below 100%. Rodgers is below 100%. Not time to make wholesale changes. I think we have a great deal of talent on our roster. Unfortunately, those guys were not out there today. Hopefully, the great majority of them will be out there in September.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by call_me_ishmael View Post
        First of all... let's get it out of the way. The Niners are a uniquely talented team. They have been bad for so long and have the most #1 picks on their roster of any team in the league. They needed a culture change that Baalke and Harbaugh brought. They will soon run into money issues so it is what it is.

        The Packers need to make some significant changes to continue being competitive and being in a position to compete for the super bowl.

        1. Figure out why we are always near the top of the league in injuries. Somebody, probably PB, posted a chart a few weeks back detailing injuries over the past several seasons. The Packers were at or near the top. This has to stop. Whether it is a matter of Ted picking athletes with injury history, or what, I don't know, but something needs to change here.

        2. The dreaded 2-4 defense needs to go away. I'm damn sick of being in this micro-nickel all of the time. NFL teams are keeping three WRs out most plays now. It's time to adjust and be able to control the line of scrimmage. I would like to see the Packers use 3 down linemen every play. Period.

        3. Stronger up the middle. The Packers inside linebackers suck. The Packers safeties suck. The rest of the D is serviceable. They need sweeping, radical changes here.

        4. Significant Improvement in scouting. It's no surprise to see a draft-and-develop organization begin to fall off when their past 2-3 drafts have yielded little to no depth or talent. It isn't a shock to me that these drafts have taken a step down in quality after the departure of Reggie McKenzie, John Dorsey and John Schneider. It is unreasonable to expect a back-up to play as well as a pro-bowler, so it isn't too surprising that Alonzo Highsmith and Elliot Wolf aren't superstars yet. These guys need to be better, and the Packers need to draft better, or they need to make some changes in how they build their team. They will not be successful if they do not acquire more quality players.

        That's all for right now.
        Agree on 1 and 4. 3 I disagree vehemently. Did we EVER get a consistent pass rush from our front D line? NO. We had to either blitz or Matthews had to make a play (when he was healthy).

        We need help at D-Line, Safety, ILB and O-Line. In Free Agency, Jones, Raji and Finley can go bye-bye. Finley, IMO is Nick Collins, part 2, plus he wants too much money. We need to find a way to get some better safety play. Burnett was pathetic this year. Brad Jones at ILB isn't the answer. Though AJ Hawk had one of his better seasons, he isn't a steller ILB.
        -digital dean

        No "TROLLS" allowed!

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        • #5
          It's simple: the Packers need to stink for 5-6 years, I mean really stink. Like to where they can acquire top 5 picks for several years. Pick a bunch of defensive players. Get rid of Rodgers because he's keeping the defense from "learning" enough. Hell, trade him to the Texans for JJ Watt and a pick. Hire a defensive minded coach, Then fire him after several years of getting trampled. Hire an offensive minded coach to work with their draft pick QB and play ball control football with their defense that has learned and jelled over several seasons. Simple, right?
          When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro ~Hunter S.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by denverYooper View Post
            It's simple: the Packers need to stink for 5-6 years, I mean really stink. Like to where they can acquire top 5 picks for several years. Pick a bunch of defensive players. Get rid of Rodgers because he's keeping the defense from "learning" enough. Hell, trade him to the Texans for JJ Watt and a pick. Hire a defensive minded coach, Then fire him after several years of getting trampled. Hire an offensive minded coach to work with their draft pick QB and play ball control football with their defense that has learned and jelled over several seasons. Simple, right?
            Bullshit. Teams have to suck ass for a few years to get a superstar QB and a superstar defender. We have both already. Why blow it up and suck so you can get a guy as good as Rodgers or Matthews when you already have them?

            The issue isn't the top-of-the-line talent. It's the average talent of the team as a whole. They went from a super deep team in 2010 to one with practically no depth at all. Too many rookie FAs.

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            • #7
              I would be happy with some changes, especially on D.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by denverYooper View Post
                The 49ers played 2-4 most of the night.
                And we played a healthy amount of 3-4
                The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by call_me_ishmael View Post
                  Bullshit. Teams have to suck ass for a few years to get a superstar QB and a superstar defender. We have both already. Why blow it up and suck so you can get a guy as good as Rodgers or Matthews when you already have them?

                  The issue isn't the top-of-the-line talent. It's the average talent of the team as a whole. They went from a super deep team in 2010 to one with practically no depth at all. Too many rookie FAs.
                  By early in this game we were out: Bulaga, Hayward, Jolly, Mathews, Shields, Neal...2 impact players and 3 very good players and 1 guy who has been coming on. Who are the 49ers missing? Yet they had to kick a last second FG to win.
                  The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by bobblehead View Post
                    By early in this game we were out: Bulaga, Hayward, Jolly, Mathews, Shields, Neal...2 impact players and 3 very good players and 1 guy who has been coming on. Who are the 49ers missing? Yet they had to kick a last second FG to win.
                    You are overstating the value of those players. Matthews is a stud but the rest are very unproven over time. Hayward is the most overrated guy on the Packers imo. I hope I'm wrong.

                    Jolly and Shields are solid. The rest are meh.

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                    • #11
                      Need to open up player procurement to all sources this offseason. They need to plug some holes and quit relying on only draft picks and street free agents to build the roster. AR's in his prime, use all resources in a weak NFC North Division to make it happen.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by call_me_ishmael View Post
                        You are overstating the value of those players. Matthews is a stud but the rest are very unproven over time. Hayward is the most overrated guy on the Packers imo. I hope I'm wrong.

                        Jolly and Shields are solid. The rest are meh.
                        Hayward was rated as a top 3 cb last year by numerous metrics. His loss cannot be overstated
                        Go PACK

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Bossman641 View Post
                          Hayward was rated as a top 3 cb last year by numerous metrics. His loss cannot be overstated
                          As a #3 corner, though. The rest of the D was so bad it is hard to tell. I don't see an elite player there. I hope I'm wrong. Do we really think he's that much better than Micah Hyde?

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                          • #14
                            Hyde is better blitzer and run defender but nowhere near Hayward coverage skills
                            Go PACK

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Bossman641 View Post
                              Hyde is better blitzer and run defender but nowhere near Hayward coverage skills
                              His passer rating against was somewhere around 40 as a rookie. Just ridiculous. For comparison, Shields was around 70 this year.
                              When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro ~Hunter S.

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