Wholesale Changes

[Bretsky]

Need to open up player procurement to all sources this offseason. They need to plug some holes and quit relying on only draft picks and street free agents to build the roster. AR's in his prime, use all resources in a weak NFC North Division to make it happen.

dude....are ya........saying......TT......should fill holes....with ........FREE AGENTS ??????????

[Bretsky]

The only major piece I'd like to see us add on offense is a #1 TE. On defense I'd like to see us get a difference maker at DL, LB, and S. It might be tough, but that should be the goal. We're losing a lot at DL, so it will need to be rebuilt. Safety is a huge need. I think Richardson has some potential, but not somebody to count on. Jennings should be gone. This is very doable. We need good health as much as anything. And I wouldn't mind if Capers retired.

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[pbmax]

Can you ever get a pass rush if the only 2 linemen are 2 gapping?

In pass rush nickel, they aren't two gapping.

In jumbo nickel the pass rush is expected to come from elsewhere but one of the jumbos (Raji recently) should be able to collapse a pocket.

In base, yes someone needs to collapse the pocket so an OLB or blitzed can Jet up the field and attack the QB like he is in a phone booth.

[pbmax]

This is a very interesting article about the 2-4-5 and 1-5-5 nickel alignments:

http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2009/9/21/1047264/the-2-4-5-and-1-5-5-revealed

It's Steeler-centric and a little dated on some of the personnel mentioned, but gets the point across, especially since they are a 3-4.

When I read this article and I think about the Steeler defensive personnel referenced and then I think about Green Bay's defensive personnel, I think, no contest. If you had the defensive personnel mentioned, you'd probably run the 2-4-5 or 1-5-5 as well. They have enough good line-backers who know how to pass rush and get pressure on the QB who don't often miss when trying to get to the QB, or let him escape the pocket. Those kinds of line-backers in that alignment make all the difference.

Green Bay does not have nearly the collective group, and it's obviously not easy to assemble such a great group of line-backers, but that's how you make that alignment work. Wouldn't you agree?

So what type of nickel package alignment would be more "practical" given the Packers current defensive personnel?

Those Steelers did not face many QB as mobile as Kap, Rodgers or Wilson. And there is probably one answer for them and another answer for Manning or Brady.

[woodbuck27]

Need to open up player procurement to all sources this offseason. They need to plug some holes and quit relying on only draft picks and street free agents to build the roster. AR's in his prime, use all resources in a weak NFC North Division to make it happen.

Yes.

[bobblehead]

In pass rush nickel, they aren't two gapping.

In jumbo nickel the pass rush is expected to come from elsewhere but one of the jumbos (Raji recently) should be able to collapse a pocket.

In base, yes someone needs to collapse the pocket so an OLB or blitzed can Jet up the field and attack the QB like he is in a phone booth.

I know, I was being sarcastic mostly. But I do think when you only have 2 DL on the field the way we do, it turns 3rd and 5 into a potential running down. Especially when the 2 aren't as good against the run and aren't playing for it.

[pbmax]

I know, I was being sarcastic mostly. But I do think when you only have 2 DL on the field the way we do, it turns 3rd and 5 into a potential running down. Especially when the 2 aren't as good against the run and aren't playing for it.

Its a personnel matchup because the offense has removed a TE or FB for a WR. The defense has to be able to still stop a single back run with six or seven (depending on TE alignment) in the box. Every other 3-4 runs that nickel if they expect pass. I agree the Packers invite run more often because of lack of success, but switching to 3-3 just invites more passing which the Packers have been equally vulnerable to.

If there is one thing underlying this its the lack of effective run defense. Harvey mentioned in his 2014 thread about rebuilding the D line. I think that is the way to go. but they need to do it run D first and then find a pass rush to boot. It would also be great for 1st and 10 not to be a great down to pass on versus base.