Studs And Duds - Full Season Version

[pbmax]

If Marshmallow Outhouse is on the opening day roster, I'm not watching the Packers ever again.

Serious question: do you think they draft or otherwise bring in a Tackle above a street FA?

Because I am tempted to agree with you, but he might have a spot even if Sherrod and Bulaga are the starters. Bach is one backup, Barclay another but he will get time at Guard.

[MadScientist]

Studs:
Lacy - imagine what he could do behind a real line.
Crosby - he didn't take a pay cut, he earned all of his incentives, and I do mean earned.
Shields - solid play
Williams - finally looked like the pre-injury version of himself

Duds:
Big contracts - Both Mathews and Rodgers missed a lot of time and those contracts are already making things tight.
EDS - Was supposed to be good, but was JAG.
Newhouse - Calling Marshmallow the Bush of the offense is an insult, because Bush will make some plays on defense before he fucks up. Newhouse is a fuck-up every snap.
2011-2012 drafts - only Daniels had a good year for the Packers. The rest are gone or were injured (Cobb) , or just not very good (Peri)

[Pugger]

Studs:
Lacy - imagine what he could do behind a real line.
Crosby - he didn't take a pay cut, he earned all of his incentives, and I do mean earned.
Shields - solid play
Williams - finally looked like the pre-injury version of himself

Duds:
Big contracts - Both Mathews and Rodgers missed a lot of time and those contracts are already making things tight.
EDS - Was supposed to be good, but was JAG.
Newhouse - Calling Marshmallow the Bush of the offense is an insult, because Bush will make some plays on defense before he fucks up. Newhouse is a fuck-up every snap.
2011-2012 drafts - only Daniels had a good year for the Packers. The rest are gone or were injured (Cobb) , or just not very good (Peri)

I don't recall anyone every saying EDS was gonna be good. We were all hoping he'd be adequate and he was more than adequate. I think we can win with him in that spot and I don't think he'll cost us an arm and a leg.

[mraynrand]

Serious question: do you think they draft or otherwise bring in a Tackle above a street FA?

Because I am tempted to agree with you, but he might have a spot even if Sherrod and Bulaga are the starters. Bach is one backup, Barclay another but he will get time at Guard.

I know they love their own guys, but the Detroit game was the end for me. The lack of effort was outrageous. Like I said before, I'd rather have Ryan Taylor at tackle than Outhouse. I know he'd give good effort. To answer your question, I think they should bring in a new guy - rookie FA or above, but they probably still think Outhouse is capable, so will do nothing.

[MadScientist]

I don't recall anyone every saying EDS was gonna be good. We were all hoping he'd be adequate and he was more than adequate. I think we can win with him in that spot and I don't think he'll cost us an arm and a leg.

I guess some of Rodgers comments at the end of last season made me think he was supposed to be good. Perhaps that was only in comparison to Saturday. I'd lump him in the 'barely adequate' category at best, with too many missed blocks in the run game and giving up too much push in pass protection. His contract is up, but the Packers have nobody else ready to step in, which is a problem. I'd be fine with him as a backup, but he will want starter money. I'm also worried that keeping him will cost an arm (Rodgers) and a leg (Lacey's).

[run pMc]

Yeah, Rodgers gave EDS a big vote of confidence last season.
EDS was an upgrade over Saturday, but he's still probably in the bottom half of starting centers.
They didn't offer him an extension mid-season, which could mean a couple of things. He's serviceable and TT will probably always be looking for someone better. Tretter will be expected to push him.

Newhouse is gone. You end up with Bulaga, Sherrod, Bahktiari competing at T, with the loser being the main backup (assuming he's not on IR). Wouldn't be surprised if Barclay becomes the backup G and emergency T.
They'll bring in a C-G for competition and depth, no idea if Gerhart or Taylor can do it.

[pbmax]

Rodgers also said he was proud of EDS at the end of this year, not sure if radio show or press conference.

But Rodgers has lost guys he has praised and lobbied for in the past, so I am not sure his vote matters much.

[Rutnstrut]

I don't think he's just a JAG either but we need more elite players than guys like Hawk.

I think you are wrong, I think exactly what they need is more solid, bust your ass, players like Hawk. Not only are the elite players hard to find, they will probably be free agent types and we know there's not a snowballs chance in hell of TT signing them.

[mraynrand]

I think you are wrong, I think exactly what they need is more solid, bust your ass, players like Hawk. Not only are the elite players hard to find, they will probably be free agent types and we know there's not a snowballs chance in hell of TT signing them.

Hawk was awful in the SF game. He made no plays, and after a second watching, he was one of the main reasons Kap ran wild on scrambles. Just terrible recognition and poor reaction. Packers need to get significantly better at both ILB positions. But I hear he relayed the calls from the sidelines effectively.

Hawk versus Vernon Davis - the play of the game where Ted Thompson had to be kicking himself again for not taking VD when he had the chance.

[red]

Hawk was awful in the SF game. He made no plays, and after a second watching, he was one of the main reasons Kap ran wild on scrambles. Just terrible recognition and poor reaction. Packers need to get significantly better at both ILB positions. But I hear he relayed the calls from the sidelines effectively.

Hawk versus Vernon Davis - the play of the game where Ted Thompson had to be kicking himself again for not taking VD when he had the chance.

VD matched up on any LB 1v1 in the nfl is a mismatch, especially when when VD just runs a streak. i thought the fact that hawk was even near him was pretty impressive
bush was in the game on boldin and gave a very weak jam on him off the line, then let him run right past him, this made burnett step over to pick up boldin leaving hawk 1v1 on the fastest TE in NFL history, 30 yards down the field

unless you're gonna go out and find am ILB that can run a 4.2, you're gonna have this problem

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2014010501/2013/POST18/49ers@packers#contentId=0ap2000000309672&menu=highlights&tab=recap

[mraynrand]

VD matched up on any LB 1v1 in the nfl is a mismatch, especially when when VD just runs a streak. i thought the fact that hawk was even near him was pretty impressive
bush was in the game on boldin and gave a very weak jam on him off the line, then let him run right past him, this made burnett step over to pick up boldin leaving hawk 1v1 on the fastest TE in NFL history, 30 yards down the field

unless you're gonna go out and find am ILB that can run a 4.2, you're gonna have this problem


http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/201401...ghts&tab=recap

That one play only illustrates that VD makes plays and Hawk does not. The entire rest of the game illustrates that Hawk does not make plays. He stands around a lot and then moves after guys make plays and then shows up to touch a guy after he is down a whole lot more. He does a great job at not shedding blocks. He also did an incredible job of allowing a reception by Celek, who is slower than me. But he did tackle after giving up the pass. But apparently he is very good at relaying signals. I have a new job suggestion for him:

[mraynrand]

Airplane Marsahall - perfect

[gbgary]

all kinds of highly rated te's are comin out...just sayin.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Stud = Alex Gillett. Despite everything that transpired this season, he's still on the roster.