Shields injury

[pbmax]

we also have to look at the fact that our secondary and coverage is horrid

should anyone be making big money on a secondary that is so bad? tramon is already making a ton

having two highly paid cb's on one of the worst secondaries in the nfl just doesn't seem right

bleacher report only has shields as the 10th best cb in this free agency class

Of all the starters, to my eyes Shields makes the fewest errors. He has gotten caught staying shallow like he expects deep 1/3 help a few times, but that is about it.

[woodbuck27]

we also have to look at the fact that our secondary and coverage is horrid

should anyone be making big money on a secondary that is so bad? tramon is already making a ton

having two highly paid cb's on one of the worst secondaries in the nfl just doesn't seem right

bleacher report only has shields as the 10th best cb in this free agency class

If TT allows both to go he's 'in fact' blowing up his teams secondary and he'll never go there.

[Patler]

The story was that they tried to sign him to a longer term deal last year, but they couldn't agree on the terms, so the Packers tendered him. Now the article about this year. It seems they have been negotiating to one extent or another for two years, but haven't accomplished anything. I don't expect a big change .

I'm a little on the fence about spending a lot of money to extend Shields. Very good player, but has missed games every year with injuries (11 missed over 4 years); then they lose him Sunday. In the end, you have to think about that, too. The same issue will come up with Bulaga when his contract is up.

This is football. Just about everyone (save perhaps kickers) can and does get injured over the course of 4 years for some number of games. Especially on the Packers. As long as the missed games aren't really high or the injury isn't chronic, you just have to live with it.

I really hope they can reach a fair deal with Shields. They really need a good CB who is young enough to start for 5+ more years to be locked up.

My very point in mentioning both the number of games and years played is that, in my opinion, his injury rate is too high. Missing 11 games in four years is a lot, especially when it is not from a single extended injury but a lot of injuries that make him miss a game or two, because the games missed is actually higher since he misses also at least some of the game in which he is injured (unless the injury occurs in practice). These games aren't included as a "missed game" because he was available at the start of the game. So how many games has he really missed, 12? 14? 15?

The real problem with a guy like Shields is that he is injured frequently, and when you need him the most he is not available. He missed essentially all of the game on Sunday and essentially all of the second half in the Super Bowl as a rookie due to injuries during those games, even though statistically he didn't miss either game.

I like the guy as a player, and maybe he will go the next 4 years without missing a game, but I doubt it, and that should be a factor in deciding how much of the limited salary cap dollars should be tied up in him. Sometimes roster bonuses and the like make it workable for the player and the team as with Woodson, sometimes they never get on the same page as with Jenkins and the player leaves. I hope they can work out something with Shields.

[pbmax]

Its an interesting question. I think Matthews has two areas of injuries that worry me differently. His hamstrings seem to be an issue every year. The level of worry about this in the future is high.

His broken hand seems to be a "in the course of play" kind of injury, where circumstances conspire to break something not ordinarily at risk. Level of concern here is mild.

What have Shields injuries been? Its obviously a knee/ankle now, but I have not seen the injury on replay and somehow I don't remember what happened in the Super Bowl.

[Patler]

Its an interesting question. I think Matthews has two areas of injuries that worry me differently. His hamstrings seem to be an issue every year. The level of worry about this in the future is high.

His broken hand seems to be a "in the course of play" kind of injury, where circumstances conspire to break something not ordinarily at risk. Level of concern here is mild.

What have Shields injuries been? Its obviously a knee/ankle now, but I have not seen the injury on replay and somehow I don't remember what happened in the Super Bowl.

Shields' Super Bowl injury was to a shoulder in the 2nd quarter. He tried to play later, but lasted only a couple plays. It seems all his other injuries have been lower leg injuries to ankles and calf muscles; with one game for a concussion.

[bobblehead]

TT ( Russ Ball) doesn't negotiate. He's too arrogant for such.

He negotiated with a lot of guys. He redid Drivers deal. Redid and tacked onto Al Harris deal. Worked out deals with AR and Mathews. You think he simply told all those guys the way it was going to be and that was that?

I think what you mean is we aren't in cap hell, signing every FA you want, losing our core and therefore you think its arrogance to not give Raji $10 million instead of the 8 offered. I mean, if we were negotiating and weren't so arrogant obviously we would split the diff between the 8 we offered and the 12 Raji wants right?

[bobblehead]

It certainly appears to me that Sam Shields is out of Green Bay ASAP. Something has happened between him and his agent and the Packer negotiator that has steered Sam Shields in this now certain direction.

Isn't it this?

Sam Shields (size aside) is a valuable CB and the Packers failed to offer him a contract that's commiserate with his obvious talent. That man is likely feeling insulted.

Again, is this your perception? Mine is that we offered him a good contract commensurate to his obvious talent, but he thinks he is darrel Revis and wants more. Do you think its possible that a 26 year old stud athlete might be the arrogant one, and not the 60 year old man?

[falco]

Again, is this your perception? Mine is that we offered him a good contract commensurate to his obvious talent, but he thinks he is darrel Revis and wants more. Do you think its possible that a 26 year old stud athlete might be the arrogant one, and not the 60 year old man?

See Greg Jennings... you could argue TT negotiated with him too hard, but that ended up being the right move and he ended up signing for not only less than what we wanted, but less than what we offered him.

TT makes his share of mistakes, but you (Woodbuck) are sure keen to paint him with a broad brush.

[Brandon494]

we also have to look at the fact that our secondary and coverage is horrid

should anyone be making big money on a secondary that is so bad? tramon is already making a ton

having two highly paid cb's on one of the worst secondaries in the nfl just doesn't seem right

bleacher report only has shields as the 10th best cb in this free agency class

You have to keep in mind our CBs are playing with idiots at safety who are suppose to give them help.

Also bleacher report is a joke, anyone can write an article for them.

[Brandon494]

This team needs speed and more play makers so it only makes sense that TT lets Shields walk right?

[Patler]

This team needs speed and more play makers so it only makes sense that TT lets Shields walk right?

I thought they needed to be bigger and tougher?

[pbmax]

I think speed is definitely a factor. But looking at position needs, I am not sure its going to pickup with a Safety an ILB and a lineman or two.

Think about what a healthy Mulumba might have been able to do with Kapermick on that run for a first down. You would have never had to consider that Shields lost contain even if it was his job.

[Brandon494]

I thought they needed to be bigger and tougher?

I'm tired of seeing Kap run past those bigger and tougher guys.

[run pMc]

You have to keep in mind our CBs are playing with idiots at safety who are suppose to give them help.

Also bleacher report is a joke, anyone can write an article for them.

+1

[Guiness]

Also bleacher report is a joke, anyone can write an article for them.

I was going to mention that using BR as a reference doesn't help your credence, but figured red would get liquored up and start something