Blame the Unit Responsible

[pbmax]

The defense missed at least 3 game changing plays - 2 intercepts - T Wil and Hyde, and the missed contain by Bush in the 4th quarter.

I guess the drop by Jones could have been a game changer, but that's one play.

How about the offense's first quarter and the 3 and out to start their second half? The offense did not pressure the San Fran D all day. Facing the Cover 2 shell, they couldn't go deep and did run in a dominating fashion.

[woodbuck27]

I'll continue to argue the Packers lost the game the last time they had the ball. They kicked a field goal instead of going for the TD on 4th and goal at the five. They should have gone for it for the very reason the article says: they were overmatched due to injuries and therefore needed to be more aggressive.

I agree with you Maxie the Taxi .

Here's my analysis of that game position:

The FG gives 'only' a tie and MM has to play to win the game. This is the playoffs and there's no tomorrow. Is aggressive play calling anything that we see from MM? Is that who he is?

With this discussion we're right back to the style of play calling he used in the Minny TIE.

If Mike McCarthy shoots for the converted TD the Packers are up 4 points (Packers 24-20).

The 49ers need a TD to win. At 20-20 it's easier to play for the win with a last possession FG and the San Fran 49ers can grind it out. MM gave that to San Fran all gift wrapped and it's 3rd Ranked Rushing Offense ! All that topped off with a QB in Kaepernick that will kill him with his legs.

Mike McCarthy's seen this 49ers rushing offense enough you'd think. Yet Mike McCarthy just doesn't get it; or is he too stubborn to get it?

Why does he insist on making the play calls? Havn't we seen enough to want him to just concentrate on the other aspects of game management. He's got to have his face into that play book and that's not cutting it. WE need someone else concentrating solely on play calls.

Here's the play-by-play including the big Randall Cobb catch that made us look so good late in the 4th Qtr:

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/playbyplay?gameId=340105009&period=4

1st and 10 at SF 42 E.Lacy right end to SF 34 for 8 yards (E.Reid).

2nd and 2 at SF 34 (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass deep left to R.Cobb to SF 9 for 25 yards (E.Reid) [G.Dorsey].

Here's that play where Randall Cobb tells us that " he felt he should have gone in for the TD !"

We get a Time Out. We're 1st and GOAL !! We need to get 9 yards in FOUR PLAYS? for a TD and don't want to settle for a FG! A FG doesn't fly Packerrats.


What does Mike McCarthy have to work with as his options on offense?

A) Eddie Lacy 21 carries for 81 yards 3.9 avg and 0 TD and a long of 8 yards

B) James Starks 5 carries for 29 yards 5.8 and 0 TD and a long of 10 YARDS

Neither of MM's RB's has rushed for a TD!? It's about time for that you'd think in that position. MM is up against the 7th ranked pass defense and 4th ranked run defense but he has four downs for that TOUCHDOWN and 9 yards to go. Run-Run-Run and if needed run the ball again.

C) FB John Kuhn has already score a key TD earlier at 12:06 remaining in the 4th Qtr.

SO what does Mike McCarthy decide as is his BEST OPTION ?!

He decides to give Randall Cobb that TOUCHDOWN that Randall Cobb felt he should have gotten, cashing in on the last passing play.

Mike McCarthy has decided on 1st and goal at the San Fran 9 yard line and RUN! great but who does he run with here!?

Mike McCarthy has Eddie LACY and James STARKS and John Kuhn in his RB's stable. These fellas will go 9 yards in 4 carries. That's the logical option. A

MM run the ball in when down inside the opponents 10 yard line and it's 1st and goal. Go for it all the way !

Mike McCarthy comes back with the fella that just made a nice catch to get the team to 1st and goal !?

WHY !!

He decides that his best option is call a run and Randall Cobb. That's the wasted glamour 'showboat' call. Mike McCarthy LOVES to showcase certain STARS. Meanwhile the Lunch bucket brigade (Lacy,Starks and Kuhn) are left scratching their collective heads.

NO ... Mike McCarthy needs to call plays sensibly to WIN football games.

If you decide on run ... you decide on an Eddie Lacy with 3.9 avg./carry in that game or you go with a fresher James Starks and his 5.9 avg./carry

So let's review where it goes.

Timeout #1 by GB at 06:12.

1st and 9 at SF 9 (Shotgun) R.Cobb left end to SF 8 for 1 yard (N.Bowman).

Yahoo ! Really terrific Mike. NO ..... that call sucks BIG WIND!

Back to your other STAR Mike...

2nd and 8 at SF 8 (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete short right.

Let's toss in a broken play and less than aggressive whimpy running from Aaron Rodgers. It's so so in your face Packerrats. There was no tomorrow and Aaron had to bust his ass to get that one as close to the goal line as possible . He needed to get every inch and set up at least a fourth and goal play for the TOUCHDOWN and not a whimpy FG and 'only' a tie.

3rd and 8 at SF 8 (Shotgun) A.Rodgers up the middle to SF 6 for 2 yards (R.McDonald). Penalty on GB-J.Sitton, Offensive Holding, declined.

There again is 'no tomorrow' but Mike McCarthy doesn't get that.

Mike McCarthy doesn't learn and look for more of that in your Packer fan experience with him.

4th and 6 at SF 6 M.Crosby 24 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-B.Goode, Holder-T.Masthay.

SCORE: GREEN BAY 20 - SAN FRAN 20

M.Crosby kicks 65 yards from GB 35 to end zone, Touchback.

DRIVE TOTALS: 11 plays, 61 yards, 5:25 elapsed

San Francisco 49ers at 5:06

This strategy based in "who has the ball last".

If the offense doesn't get the TD it turns the ball over really deep in San Fran territory. Just that adds an element of pressure. You call for a man for man up defense and pressure on Kaepernick. Get his feet back deep in his end zone. You need your defense to force them to punt and you attack again for the (seven Points); with the option 'only' if needed for the FG and a tie, and 'only' if forced by the time element to settle for that.

[bobblehead]

http://courtenayharris.wordpress.com...efensive-look/

Since I love picking at statistics I would ask one BIG question. If Capers needs veterans to know his system...really get the intricacies if you will, why does he have a history of coming in cold, turning a defense around and then having it regress? If you need those vets to know the system, why is it that he comes in fresh, taking over a 4-3 in our case and gets them up to speed right away?

Now, that question being asked, I do believe we lack some talent on this team aided by several factors. Hawk never became Patrick Willis or Ray Lewis. Bishop blew a hammy. Woodson got old. Collins lost his career. Jolly loves him some purple. That is a lot of talent that left, and only Jolly is back/replaced.

Lets look at the recent "defense" draft. Hayward was hurt all year. Perry has been hurt on and off all along. Worthy blew his ACL (or whichever CL). Daniels is solid. Since it takes a few years for guys to "get it" in the NFL, could we see a breakout 2014 D? We are still desperate for a safety no matter what. We still need that beast MLB that great D's all have. However I could see some real improvement. All those guys, plus Datone should contribute...APRH to steal from Rand.

Could TT utilize FA? I doubt there is a really good MLB available, but we could potentially draft one and sign another re: S/ILB. That along with the D draft of 2012 being healthy and improved could spell big improvement. We don't need Carolina/SF defenses, we have ARod and a MUCH better offense than they do. And that is without our bookend tackles. Let me see Kap or Cam lose both of their OT's and perform even as well as Matt Flynn.

/Rant Off

[woodbuck27]

The defense missed at least 3 game changing plays - 2 intercepts - T Wil and Hyde, and the missed contain by Bush in the 4th quarter.

I guess the drop by Jones could have been a game changer, but that's one play.

Getting right down too the brass tacks of it.

That game was ours all day long. That game was handed to the San Francisco 49ers with all but the wrap,ribbon and bows.

How many many times did we really feel that game was ours? I certainly was right there. We caught the 49ers with their collective pants down and gave them that win.

Focusing on the end of it and "the climax of incompetence".

The two 3rd downs and long's that the Packer 'D' gave up in the last San Fran series:

Somehow that defense had no response to Kaepernick and " I'll kill you softly with BIG PLAYS ... I'll snap it right away from you in your house.

When that man owns you for ...four straight games.

It'll "only" make the next one easier.

Somehow the GREEN BAY PACKERS must find the correct response to the San Fran 49ers or stop pretending.

Whatever it takes the Packers must defeat this team again soon.

GO PACK GO !

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Since I love picking at statistics I would ask one BIG question. If Capers needs veterans to know his system...really get the intricacies if you will, why does he have a history of coming in cold, turning a defense around and then having it regress? If you need those vets to know the system, why is it that he comes in fresh, taking over a 4-3 in our case and gets them up to speed right away?

Now, that question being asked, I do believe we lack some talent on this team aided by several factors. Hawk never became Patrick Willis or Ray Lewis. Bishop blew a hammy. Woodson got old. Collins lost his career. Jolly loves him some purple. That is a lot of talent that left, and only Jolly is back/replaced.

Lets look at the recent "defense" draft. Hayward was hurt all year. Perry has been hurt on and off all along. Worthy blew his ACL (or whichever CL). Daniels is solid. Since it takes a few years for guys to "get it" in the NFL, could we see a breakout 2014 D? We are still desperate for a safety no matter what. We still need that beast MLB that great D's all have. However I could see some real improvement. All those guys, plus Datone should contribute...APRH to steal from Rand.

Could TT utilize FA? I doubt there is a really good MLB available, but we could potentially draft one and sign another re: S/ILB. That along with the D draft of 2012 being healthy and improved could spell big improvement. We don't need Carolina/SF defenses, we have ARod and a MUCH better offense than they do. And that is without our bookend tackles. Let me see Kap or Cam lose both of their OT's and perform even as well as Matt Flynn.

/Rant Off

thats really a great point about him needing vets but having his best season right away with a new team

he also did it not with pure 3-4 guys, but with converted 4-3 guys who were mostly playing out of their usual positions those first 2 years.

so you could say his first 2 years in green bay, his best 2 years, were his most "miscast" bunch

i do think he needs vets though, not just because they know the system, but because they just flat out know how to play the game. i thought it was a huge blow to the team when woodson and driver left, just because that was a lot of vet leadership that was walking out the door

[pbmax]

thats really a great point about him needing vets but having his best season right away with a new team

he also did it not with pure 3-4 guys, but with converted 4-3 guys who were mostly playing out of their usual positions those first 2 years.

so you could say his first 2 years in green bay, his best 2 years, were his most "miscast" bunch

i do think he needs vets though, not just because they know the system, but because they just flat out know how to play the game. i thought it was a huge blow to the team when woodson and driver left, just because that was a lot of vet leadership that was walking out the door

See this article: http://courtenayharris.wordpress.com...efensive-look/

originally posted by DenverYoop.

Many D coordinators have their biggest effect early, before teams scheme the advantage away. Its happening in the playoffs now.

[pbmax]

That game was ours all day long. That game was handed to the San Francisco 49ers with all but the wrap,ribbon and bows.

How many many times did we really feel that game was ours? I certainly was right there. We caught the 49ers with their collective pants down and gave them that win.

I could not disagree more with this. 49ers offense was more efficient all game than Packer offense and drove the length of the field many more times than the Packers O.

Even with two leads, it never seemed like the Packers had the game in control.

Big plays on D were part of what kept it close, but you cannot count big turnovers to stop every drive.

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See this article: http://courtenayharris.wordpress.com...efensive-look/

originally posted by DevnerYoop.

Many D coordinators have their biggest effect early, before teams scheme the advantage away. Its happening in the playoffs now.

yes i already read that shit twice

they're trying to compare guys that have been with their teams for only two years with capers. in capers first 3 years he looked great too, now over the last three years he's had one of if not the worst defense in the nfl.

none of the other guys they mention have done that

then that try and say lebeau had a bad year, so everyone gets a bad year now and then. in his one bad year his D was ranked 14th.

ours was dead fucking last in 2011, average to below average in 2012, and just off the bottom this year

[pbmax]

yes i already read that shit twice

they're trying to compare guys that have been with their teams for only two years with capers. in capers first 3 years he looked great too, now over the last three years he's had one of if not the worst defense in the nfl.

none of the other guys they mention have done that

then that try and say lebeau had a bad year, so everyone gets a bad year now and then. in his one bad year his D was ranked 14th.

ours was dead fucking last in 2011, average to below average in 2012, and just off the bottom this year

Most of them have not gotten past three years yet with the current team. Greg Manusky had some terrible times in San Diego with his D. McDermott was fired by the Eagles and I think one other team.

LeBeau has a standing in his organization that gives him an advantage many do not enjoy, I would suspect it carries over to personnel.

Capers situation is unique in that the system might not be best for rookies and he with one of the the top 5 teams for youthful turnover.

Let me put it in terms Bretsky will have to appreciate: Tom Coughlin hired Capers to rescue his D. His only caveat was to stay with a 4-3 to let their star DE stay at his position.

[woodbuck27]

I could not disagree more with this. 49ers offense was more efficient all game than Packer offense and drove the length of the field many more times than the Packers O.

Even with two leads, it never seemed like the Packers had the game in control.

Big plays on D were part of what kept it close, but you cannot count big turnovers to stop every drive.

4th Quarter Play by Play ... SCORE: SAN FRAN 49ers 13 - GREEN BAY PACKERS 10

Green Bay Packers DRIVE Beginning at 3:19 Remaining in the 3rd Qtr.

Three running plays and two passing plays and:

2nd and 1 at SF 1 J.Kuhn left guard for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.

M.Crosby extra point is GOOD, Center-B.Goode, Holder-T.Masthay. 13 17

M.Crosby kicks 65 yards from GB 35 to SF 0. L.James pushed ob at SF 37 for 37 yards (M.Crosby).

DRIVE TOTALS: SF 13, GB 17, 12 plays, 80 yards, 6:13 elapsed

SCORE: GREEN BAY 17 - SAN FRAN 13


San Francisco 49ers Get the ball at at 12:06

Right there at that point in the 4th Qtr. we have the lead. The San Fran 49ers need a TD to take the lead back.

[mraynrand]

Now, that question being asked, I do believe we lack some talent on this team aided by several factors. Hawk never became Patrick Willis or Ray Lewis. Bishop blew a hammy. Woodson got old. Collins lost his career. Jolly loves him some purple. That is a lot of talent that left, and only Jolly is back/replaced.

Willis, Lewis, Woodson, Collins - they weren't any good, it was just that the mediocre players around them made them great, at least according to my no great players theory.

[mraynrand]

http://courtenayharris.wordpress.com...efensive-look/

Mnay extrapolations can be made from these numbers, but what this evidence says to me is that having dynamic playmakers is just as important, if not MORE important, than having a good defensive coordinator.

This guy also seems deluded by the great player theory

[mraynrand]

How NE hemorrhages yardage, but still keeps teams out of the end zone could use more scrutiny

[denverYooper]

How NE hemorrhages yardage, but still keeps teams out of the end zone could use more scrutiny

Closer video study is warranted here.

[pbmax]

This guy also seems deluded by the great player theory

He is making a superficial comparison about players versus coordinator in certain high profile cases. Not clear if he believes Christl's theory or not.

What I am curious about is how many D coordinators promise to be aggressive.