Nick Perry?

[Pugger]

I have been thinking about our recent drafts and I think TT and company made an error with Nick Perry. Not that Perry is not a good player but I feel they screwed up taking this player and trying to mold him into a LBer when they should have just let him play his natural position. This transition for him along with his injuries is making him appear to be a bust when I think had they should have just let him play DE.

[call_me_ishmael]

This pick reminds me of Mike Neal. You can see obvious talent and physical abilities, but those don't do you any good on the bench or playing at 50%. Last year, he missed the entire season with a wrist injury. He was originally on the injured list for a bad knee last year. He had two bad injuries last year, and then a cracked foot this year. It's not looking good for him to stay healthy if you can't stay healthy when you're a young man.

He is not long or big enough to be a 3-4 end in my uninformed opinion. He is an inch or two shorter than Datone Jones, and like 30 pounds lighter I think.

He doesn't look very good to me, though. Athletic, maybe, but he doesn't look like a guy who tries all that hard or has a lot of tricks up his sleeve.

[red]

the thing is, when mathews went pro, i think, perry moved to fill in the same spot clay left at USC

and he looked good doing it

honestly, i loved the pick when we made it and had high hopes for him

but it definitely hasn't panned out yet

[Striker]

Is he fast enough to be moved inside?

Hopefully a healthy year should help him develop further.

[wist43]

He doesn't fit a 3-4, Raji doesn't fit a 3-4, Jones isn't a good fit IMO, neither is Neal.

That's TT picking guys he thinks are "good football players", without giving a shit about whether they'll fit a scheme or not.

That said, given that TT has done nothing but provide Capers with misfit toys, it is up to Capers to make it work, and Capers has misused everyone in that front seven.

I think a decent DC would be putting those guys in better positions to make plays.

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He doesn't fit a 3-4, Raji doesn't fit a 3-4, Jones isn't a good fit IMO, neither is Neal.

That's TT picking guys he thinks are "good football players", without giving a shit about whether they'll fit a scheme or not.

That said, given that TT has done nothing but provide Capers with misfit toys, it is up to Capers to make it work, and Capers has misused everyone in that front seven.

I think a decent DC would be putting those guys in better positions to make plays.

raji was the perfect prospect for a NT, exactly what we needed. no one ever taught him how to play it though. i'll agree he's a bad fit as a DE, but he SHOULD have been a good NT

[pbmax]

He doesn't fit a 3-4, Raji doesn't fit a 3-4, Jones isn't a good fit IMO, neither is Neal.

That's TT picking guys he thinks are "good football players", without giving a shit about whether they'll fit a scheme or not.

That said, given that TT has done nothing but provide Capers with misfit toys, it is up to Capers to make it work, and Capers has misused everyone in that front seven.

I think a decent DC would be putting those guys in better positions to make plays.

Don't say wist and I never agree on anything because health issues or no, his mind is clear on this.

I would add I think the complexity issue hurts Capers as well, though he has taken steps to diffuse it.

This explanation also explains why some highly thought of assistant coaches have under performing units.

Truthfully, I would prefer Thompson modify his drafting philosophy. But if McCarthy can make it work on offense, it should be possible on D.

[red]

Is he fast enough to be moved inside?

Hopefully a healthy year should help him develop further.

i don't hink he has the cover skills, and he is pretty slow.

he's more like terrell suggs rather then ray lewis if that helps

[pbmax]

raji was the perfect prospect for a NT, exactly what we needed. no one ever taught him how to play it though. i'll agree he's a bad fit as a DE, but he SHOULD have been a good NT

He isn't an NT though. Not a 3-4 NT where he is always getting doubled. He could do it in a 4-3 where he shares the burden or he could play 3 tech in that 4-3, but straight nose and battling double teams every play is not his strong suit.

He can't get off blocks regularly in one on ones.

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He isn't an NT though. Not a 3-4 NT where he is always getting doubled. He could do it in a 4-3 where he shares the burden or he could play 3 tech in that 4-3, but straight nose and battling double teams every play is not his strong suit.

He can't get off blocks regularly in one on ones.

and is that something that you can't teach a 22 year old 350 pound kid how to do?

or is it all instinct and will?

[pbmax]

and is that something that you can't teach a 22 year old 350 pound kid how to do?

or is it all instinct and will?

That is the great unanswerable question in my years of following football.

Willis Adams was a WR the Browns took and he had EVERY physical tool you want in a WR. But he was a body catcher and he dropped balls like he was a bumper in pool. Two years they tried to teach him to catch with his hands extended. They brought Paul Warfield out to help him and every other stunt you can imagine. His third or fourth year, after not playing much, they finally said he's starting, we don't care if he catches the ball with his feet.

He was terrible because he was completely unreliable. No QB wants to throw a ball against a wall of a WR.

Can you teach football skills to everyone? Maybe, but there is a lot of failure first. Raji is good enough and rare enough that he will go to a team that will let him jet into the backfield and get paid handsomely.

In his veteran years, after some of that speed has worn off, if he wants to continue to play or at least get paid he might put to use some of the things he has been taught and become a more complete player. Even Pickett was thought to be a disappointment to the Rams when he left. But Raji might never do it here.

[Brandon494]

Still too early on Perry, only been in the league for 2 years. It just hasn't clicked for him yet but the tools are there. Hopefully we'll see more in year three when he and Matthews can play a whole season together.

[mraynrand]

Still too early on Perry, only been in the league for 2 years. It just hasn't clicked for him yet but the tools are there. Hopefully we'll see more in year three when he and Matthews can play a whole season together.

And he's been hurt, so who the hell knows. I liked how he played the run from the right side, and I like Matthews on the left and moving around. I would hate to see yet another season of Matthews being thrown at LTs and getting absorbed any time he tries a bull rush. Even his quick moves were getting stifled. Perry seems better suited size wise to hold up at ROLB. Adapt the "W" position to Matthews for next year, with Neal and Perry playing a lot of OLB.*










*always, assuming player(s) remain healthy (APRH)

[pbmax]

And he's been hurt, so who the hell knows. I liked how he played the run from the right side, and I like Matthews on the left and moving around. I would hate to see yet another season of Matthews being thrown at LTs and getting absorbed any time he tries a bull rush. Even his quick moves were getting stifled. Perry seems better suited size wise to hold up at ROLB. Adapt the "W" position to Matthews for next year, with Neal and Perry playing a lot of OLB.*


*always, assuming player(s) remain healthy (APRH)

I would be pretty excited at 270 and 275-280 pound Perry and Neal at OLB and Matthews inside for nickel. You could rotate 5 linebackers to pretty good effect that way*.



*always, assuming player(s) remain healthy (APRH)

[Bossman641]

I'll drive the Perry bandwagon single-handedly if I have to. He was on his way to a solid season before the injuries hit. He had 3 sacks and 2 forced fumbles through 5 games and provided strong run defense. He seems to be one of our few players who knows how to force a fumble while hitting the QB. He did it right before the half against Baltimore and last year against Luck (boooo to the call). I can't remember the fumble he forced this year against Detroit but I think it was Stafford. I think he would have been good for 8-9 sacks which is exactly what we need the second OLB to get.