Nick Perry?

[Bretsky]

I'll drive the Perry bandwagon single-handedly if I have to. He was on his way to a solid season before the injuries hit. He had 3 sacks and 2 forced fumbles through 5 games and provided strong run defense. He seems to be one of our few players who knows how to force a fumble while hitting the QB. He did it right before the half against Baltimore and last year against Luck (boooo to the call). I can't remember the fumble he forced this year against Detroit but I think it was Stafford. I think he would have been good for 8-9 sacks which is exactly what we need the second OLB to get.

And I'm kind of peeing on the wheels of this wagon

Perry is a miscast in the 3=4. One of my favorite posters...Lurker...who is also a bit fanatical on the college draft...noted along with others...several times....before the draft...that GB probably would not take Perry because his skill set did not match up with a 3-4 system. Many embraced that...until GB drafted him....and then changed their tune that we got the best pure pass rusher in the draft who had plenty of skills to fit either system. I think Joe's assessment is spot on. He hasn't been nearly as good when he's healthy and he hasn't been healthy nearly enough.

We drafted him to be a playmaker

He's disappointed. Its obviously too early for a final judgement but up to this point he's been a J.A.G.

[woodbuck27]

He doesn't fit a 3-4, Raji doesn't fit a 3-4, Jones isn't a good fit IMO, neither is Neal.

That's TT picking guys he thinks are "good football players", without giving a shit about whether they'll fit a scheme or not.

That said, given that TT has done nothing but provide Capers with misfit toys, it is up to Capers to make it work, and Capers has misused everyone in that front seven.

I think a decent DC would be putting those guys in better positions to make plays.

I think that given what we have it's a good switch up to go to a 4-3 Base 'D'. Then players that were drafted for their talent in the highest rounds will have a more logical opportunity to fit that scheme.

Switch the 3-4 for the 4-3.

[Bretsky]

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honestly, i loved the pick when we made it and had high hopes for him

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Well this explains it all

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honestly, i loved the pick when we made it and had high hopes for him

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Well this explains it all

yup, other picks i liked include hawk and raji

picks i did not like at the time include jordy and clay

its my absolute hatred of the justin harrel pick that has me confused

[Bretsky]

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yup, other picks i liked include hawk and raji

picks i did not like at the time include jordy and clay

its my absolute hatred of the justin harrel pick that has me confused

My track record has me confused as well


Didn't want Greg Jennings and at time didn't want Rodgers
Loved Hawk
Didn't want Raji; wanted Crabtree
Didn't want Sherrod; wanted Brooks Reed
Didn't want Jordy
Didn't want Harrell
Didn't know either way on Perry

[BZnDallas]

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My track record has me confused as well


Didn't want Greg Jennings and at time didn't want Rodgers
Loved Hawk
Didn't want Raji; wanted Crabtree
Didn't want Sherrod; wanted Brooks Reed
Didn't want Jordy
Didn't want Harrell
Didn't know either way on Perry

i know it wasn't on TTs watch, but:
Didn't want Ahmad Carroll; wanted Chris Gamble

[Bretsky]

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i know it wasn't on TTs watch, but:
Didn't want Ahmad Carroll; wanted Chris Gamble

DITTO FOR ME THAT YEAR AS WELL
And for the Historians

I wanted Troy Vincent over Terrell Buckley
I wanted Derrick Thomas over Tony Mandarich

And I was cheering for GB to lose the last game that year so GB would pick Troy Aikmann

[woodbuck27]

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DITTO FOR ME THAT YEAR AS WELL
And for the Historians

I wanted Troy Vincent over Terrell Buckley
I wanted Derrick Thomas over Tony Mandarich

And I was cheering for GB to lose the last game that year so GB would pick Troy Aikmann

Would Green Bay Packer History have ever changed if the Pack had the NO. 1 pick when Troy Aikman was up and picked him as their franchise QB.

[Bossman641]

And I'm kind of peeing on the wheels of this wagon

Perry is a miscast in the 3=4. One of my favorite posters...Lurker...who is also a bit fanatical on the college draft...noted along with others...several times....before the draft...that GB probably would not take Perry because his skill set did not match up with a 3-4 system. Many embraced that...until GB drafted him....and then changed their tune that we got the best pure pass rusher in the draft who had plenty of skills to fit either system. I think Joe's assessment is spot on. He hasn't been nearly as good when he's healthy and he hasn't been healthy nearly enough.

We drafted him to be a playmaker

He's disappointed. Its obviously too early for a final judgement but up to this point he's been a J.A.G.

That's fine. Still think he will be a force if he can stay healthy.

[Guiness]

i know it wasn't on TTs watch, but:
Didn't want Ahmad Carroll; wanted Chris Gamble

Ouch, that would have been nice. I was pulling for Brandon Flowers in '08, wanted the Pack to take him at 30th, but they traded the pick to the Jets. They got Jordy instead though, I'm good with that!

[smuggler]

Watching Robert Mathis destroy QBs in Indy gives me hope that Nick Perry will develop into a fine player.

Ahmad Carroll: Didn't want. I didn't want a CB in the first round that year, but I remember I liked Gamble. I don't remember who I wanted in that spot.
Aaron Rodgers: I was pretty happy that Rodgers fell to us, even if wouldn't pay off that season.
A. J. Hawk: I preferred Vernon Davis.
Justin Harrell: Didn't want him or even really have him on my radar. However, the guy I liked was Amobi Okoye so it doesn't matter much.
Jordy Nelson: I wanted Flowers. Can't complain either way, but I think Jordy is a better player right now.
B. J. Raji: I was happy he fell to us then. :S
Clay Matthews III: I wasn't so hot on the CM3 pick. I hadn't done much digging for that draft and felt we gave up too much.
Bryan Bulaga: Was and still am happy we got him instead of Okung and *especially* Maurkice Pouncey.
Derek Sherrod: I didn't want to take and OL, but I did like him better than Carimi and Costanzo. I wanted Mark Ingram to fall to us, and he nearly did.
Nick Perry: I liked this pick, but preferred Chandler Jones and Court Upshaw
Datone Jones: This was the player I wanted if we didn't spring for Eddie Lacy. Woo!

[pbmax]

That's fine. Still think he will be a force if he can stay healthy.

I'm still with you Bossman. He was having a fine year but his pass rush is more effective from the right, which, like everything else in this D, causes some player problems.

[run pMc]

Still think he will be a force if he can stay healthy.

Agree.
I admit to not being thrilled with the pick, largely because of the pre-draft quotes over his reluctance at switching to OLB. I'll be a homer and give the kid some credit for being honest with misgivings about going pro at a new position, and also for not complaining and making the switch. His youtube highlights, like everyone else's, looked pretty good though as a pass rusher. I think he can do it, especially if he learns another pass rush move or two AND can get healthy.

I think the foot injury really affected him -- couldn't push off it or change direction well, and the more snaps he got, the more the injury affected his play.
Not quite on the bandwagon, but it's too early to call him a bust. I give him another year.

He provided at least as much as Walden would have, for a lot less salary. The forced fumbles were impressive IMO...seemed like he was getting one with each sack.

If Neal walks, they still have CM3, Perry, Palmer and Mulumba...if these young guys can make a jump this offseason and stay healthy it could be a decent group.

I agree that we have some players who are misfits for the scheme (Raji, for example) and this causes problems for Capers. The experimentation (Neal switching, the OL flipflop) makes it look like M3 doesn't know what he's doing or just throwing stuff against the wall.

[bobblehead]

I'm still with you Bossman. He was having a fine year but his pass rush is more effective from the right, which, like everything else in this D, causes some player problems.

I hated him on draft day. Looked like a plodder, but I have liked him when he is healthy. I think the emergence of Andy Mulumba may make Neal expendable.

[Pugger]

Watching Robert Mathis destroy QBs in Indy gives me hope that Nick Perry will develop into a fine player.

Ahmad Carroll: Didn't want. I didn't want a CB in the first round that year, but I remember I liked Gamble. I don't remember who I wanted in that spot.
Aaron Rodgers: I was pretty happy that Rodgers fell to us, even if wouldn't pay off that season.
A. J. Hawk: I preferred Vernon Davis.
Justin Harrell: Didn't want him or even really have him on my radar. However, the guy I liked was Amobi Okoye so it doesn't matter much.
Jordy Nelson: I wanted Flowers. Can't complain either way, but I think Jordy is a better player right now.
B. J. Raji: I was happy he fell to us then. :S
Clay Matthews III: I wasn't so hot on the CM3 pick. I hadn't done much digging for that draft and felt we gave up too much.
Bryan Bulaga: Was and still am happy we got him instead of Okung and *especially* Maurkice Pouncey.
Derek Sherrod: I didn't want to take and OL, but I did like him better than Carimi and Costanzo. I wanted Mark Ingram to fall to us, and he nearly did.
Nick Perry: I liked this pick, but preferred Chandler Jones and Court Upshaw
Datone Jones: This was the player I wanted if we didn't spring for Eddie Lacy. Woo!

I was excited about Rodgers. I found it incredible he was still sitting there when our pick came but I never dreamt TT would actually take him! I didn't know who Jordy or Jennings was.