LEROY BUTLER....TOM SILVERSTEIN VIDEO ON FREE AGENCY PERIOD and WHO TO KEEP..etc

[Rodgers12]

yes its possible, i've been screaming for the packers to do this for years

most recently with jennings last year

Thompson did it in 2008 with Corey Williams. Got a 2nd rounder, for which the Polar Bear managed to waste on, gasps, Brian Brohm.

Facts in hindsight, should've drafted Jamaal Charles (no relation to Darren).

[Rodgers12]

For example, Shermy blew a #2 to move up just a fews spots and get Walker and just a few years later, the guy is gone

I wouldn't call it a backfire. By his 3rd year, J-Walk progressed into a Pro Bowler for the Packers. Injuries coulda set him back a bit, but he wasn't a bust (for Denver and Oakland, perhaps, but not the Packers).

Great move by Sherman in trading up. Injuries, combined with the fact that he wasn't a Thompson pick, made J-Walk expendable. Teddy got back that 2nd rounder that Sherman sacrificed in the first place, so nothing backfired.

[woodbuck27]

And both suggest doing a sign and trade with Raji.............Patler.........is this possible ?

Wondering what the cost of franchising him would be; that is the only way to make this work IMO

No. BJ Raji's a known risk at best and clearly would be a waste of CAP as he's NOT played this season. He's generally failed since the 2010 season.

Besides, " he's in Big Time Pout Mode " with a thin veil of "Gee Look at me patting my teammates on the ass after a played down". BJ Raji looks worse than bad on the field now. He's at best burning rubber.

Cut his useless ass unless Dom Capers returns our defense where it belongs or "a Base 4-3 'D' .. ".

I'm so disappointed with of all the nonsence and failure we all should see with TT drafting players that are a better fit in a 4-3 defense. Ted Thompson's bending over to MM and Dom Capers and going with (moreso as Wist43 informs us )... a predominant 2-4-5 defense.

This is too easy to see and grasp in terms of the direction our Defense deserves to go. It's time to toss the three ply ass wipe and return to two ply. Get back to a 4-3 defense...PRONTO like for the 2014 season. Ted Thompson no longer has to be concerned over $$$ shelling out $$$ BIG TIME for STAR DT's as we have none.

That idea/plan is like a candle that unexpectedly extinguished.

A candle that TT shouldn't be stubborn to re-light. Let go of BJ Raji.

Don't go to "Magic Thinking".

[bobblehead]

I'd like to see more of these; what I really take out of this is Silverstein's tone is that of a writer who doesnt' care much for TT....listen to him....when he talks of trading down and still getting Lacy........as luck........

I presumed that TT had Lacy and Ball rated equal and decided to take a free pick later while still getting one.

[bobblehead]

Thompson did it in 2008 with Corey Williams. Got a 2nd rounder, for which the Polar Bear managed to waste on, gasps, Brian Brohm.

Facts in hindsight, should've drafted Jamaal Charles (no relation to Darren).

Facts in hindsight...every team in the NFL should have drafted Jamaal Charles.

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leroy brought up another point i've mentioned quite a few times about resigning raji

he said something along the lines of 3-4 linemen aren't suppose to be high paid superstars, they're just suppose to be guys that take up blockers and let the LB's run free

thats exactly what i've always though our linemen should be, thats what i get confused when we draft smaller guys like datone,neal, and maybe worthy with higher picks. they're all smaller for a 3-4 DE and you've wasted high picks on what is in reality, cannon fodder

[pbmax]

Alright, first attempt was far too whiny.

Looking at other team's successes and Packer needs would make the Packer approach look bad in any season you have not won a Super Bowl.

Reid versus veteran safety is an interesting discussion, but mutually exclusive.

An Eric Reid could be drafted by Thompson at some point, he might even trade up. There is no mentoring with this approach.

But a FA safety is going to cost money. How much can you spend and who do you cashier in order to sign them?

[pbmax]

leroy brought up another point i've mentioned quite a few times about resigning raji

he said something along the lines of 3-4 linemen aren't suppose to be high paid superstars, they're just suppose to be guys that take up blockers and let the LB's run free

thats exactly what i've always though our linemen should be, thats what i get confused when we draft smaller guys like datone,neal, and maybe worthy with higher picks. they're all smaller for a 3-4 DE and you've wasted high picks on what is in reality, cannon fodder

Raji and Pickett are ideal ONLY for a NT, but somehow Packer fans have become convinced the rest of the lineman are too small for the 3-4.

Jones is 6' 5" and 285, Wilson is 6' 3" and 308 and Boyd is 6' 3" and 30-something. They are ideally sized for 3-4 DEs.

Why Capers doesn't use them in base is a big question.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Why Capers doesn't use them in base is a big question.

Question was answered earlier: Rookies don't do well in Capers system. Why Wilson doesn't suit up for more games is the question?

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Raji and Pickett are ideal ONLY for a NT, but somehow Packer fans have become convinced the rest of the lineman are too small for the 3-4.

Jones is 6' 5" and 285, Wilson is 6' 3" and 308 and Boyd is 6' 3" and 30-something. They are ideally sized for 3-4 DEs.

Why Capers doesn't use them in base is a big question.

oh i'm not saying wilson and boyd aren't perfect fits, i think they are.

[pbmax]

Question was answered earlier: Rookies don't do well in Capers system. Why Wilson doesn't suit up for more games is the question?

Wilson aside, both played significant snaps. Its possible Jones played himself out of snaps by the end of the season. But each played quite a bit.

Rookies not fitting in sort of goes by the wayside after you get to the final roster, though it might explain errors in run fits or communication during the season.

The item on Belichick going to a 4-3 to reduce the amount of teaching necessary to switch between nickel 4-3 fronts and base 3-4 might come into play here. Boyd and Jones were nickel only with a few exceptions.

But I think the DE bodies for 3-4 are on the team. Thompson might need a NT but I would hope the DE position is covered.

[Bossman641]

I think TT has to make a play to keep Pickett. I hate to overvalue the whole veteran leadership thing, but the young DL need somebody to pick up tips/tricks from. I'd take Raji back but certainly not at 8M a year. Jolly and Wilson are probably gone. I'd like to see Pickett resigned and a third-fourth year player added in FA.

I really don't know what to make of Worthy. I'm giving him a pass this year but he didn't show much as a rookie. One other thing, people like to point to Worthy and Daniels as the whole round hole-square peg and TT not knowing what he's doing. I think those 2 were drafted pretty much exclusively for the nickel defense. We had Raji-Wilson-Pickett for the base run D but needed better pass rushers. Now that we are light on base D DL, TT moved to replace them with Jones and Boyd.

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I think TT has to make a play to keep Pickett. I hate to overvalue the whole veteran leadership thing, but the young DL need somebody to pick up tips/tricks from. I'd take Raji back but certainly not at 8M a year. Jolly and Wilson are probably gone. I'd like to see Pickett resigned and a third-fourth year player added in FA.

I really don't know what to make of Worthy. I'm giving him a pass this year but he didn't show much as a rookie. One other thing, people like to point to Worthy and Daniels as the whole round hole-square peg and TT not knowing what he's doing. I think those 2 were drafted pretty much exclusively for the nickel defense. We had Raji-Wilson-Pickett for the base run D but needed better pass rushers. Now that we are light on base D DL, TT moved to replace them with Jones and Boyd.

agreed on picket, give him a small but fair deal, and rotate him more to keep him fresh. we can't afford to keep throwing out what little leadership we have

the think nwirh worthy and neal and jones, should you be spending high draft picks on situational players?

[Bossman641]

agreed on picket, give him a small but fair deal, and rotate him more to keep him fresh. we can't afford to keep throwing out what little leadership we have

the think nwirh worthy and neal and jones, should you be spending high draft picks on situational players?

Worthy isn't necessarily small (6'2" 305) but his game coming out was more of an aggressive penetrating type as opposed to your normal tie up blocks 3-4 end. I think the plan was for him and Daniels to spend their first 1-2 years as the rush guys in nickel and then see where they develop from there. Jones and Boyd have the ideal size/frame for 3-4 ends. Just have to hope they develop.

[mraynrand]

Worthy isn't necessarily small (6'2" 305) but his game coming out was more of an aggressive penetrating type as opposed to your normal tie up blocks 3-4 end. I think the plan was for him and Daniels to spend their first 1-2 years as the rush guys in nickel and then see where they develop from there. Jones and Boyd have the ideal size/frame for 3-4 ends. Just have to hope they develop.

Worthy still has a chance to shine with Daniels on passing downs. Just haven't seen enough yet to know. Packers will need a fatty or two (I say one FA, one draft pick) to take over for Pickett and Jolly inside, assuming both those guys are done or severely diminished.