Now, who do you WANT the packers to sign in FA

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Yes, the ones who draft for shit, and are trying to justify their job.

and yet its our GM that offered him that 8 million a year which might be a lot more then anyone else is willing to offer him

[Pugger]

T.J. Ward - He reportedly wasn't happy about the firing of Chudzinski, and might be interested in getting out of Cleveland and going to a team that annually makes the playoffs.

I'd be very surprised if Cleveland lets Ward leave but we do need to get a vet safety back there in 2014. However, I don't know what safeties will be available in FA this offseason.

[MadScientist]

From the lists Woody posted, there are a number of safeties, so maybe one can be had for fair money.

Donte Whitner (SF) and Mike Mitchell (Car) look good and would weaken conference rivals. Don't know what it will take to sign them, but there are number of safeties listed ahead of them, so just maybe there's a chance.

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I'd be very surprised if Cleveland lets Ward leave but we do need to get a vet safety back there in 2014. However, I don't know what safeties will be available in FA this offseason.

a list from this site

http://nfltraderumors.co/2014-nfl-free-agents/

Yeremiah Bell 	ARI 	
Jeromy Miles 	BAL 	
James Ihedigbo 	BAL 	
Anthony Levine 	BAL 	R
Jairus Byrd 	BUF 	F 
Jim Leonhard 	BUF 	
Quintin Mikell 	CAR 	
Mike Mitchell 	CAR 	
Major Wright 	CHI 	
Anthony Walters 	CHI 	R
Craig Steltz 	CHI 	
Taylor Mays 	CIN 	
T.J. Ward 	CLE 	
Danny McCray 	DAL 	
Mike Adams 	DEN 	
John Wendling 	DET 	
MD Jennings 	GB 	R
Antoine Bethea 	IND 	
Sergio Brown 	IND 	
Quintin Demps 	KC 	
Husain Abdullah 	KC 	
Kendrick Lewis 	KC 	
Chris Clemons 	MIA 	
Rafael Bush 	NO 	R
Isa Abdul Quddus 	NO 	R
Stevie Brown 	NYG 	
Ryan Mundy 	NYG 	
Charles Woodson 	OAK 	
Nate Allen 	PHI 	
Colt Anderson 	PHI 	
Kurt Coleman 	PHI 	
Ryan Clark 	PIT 	
Will Allen 	PIT 	
Darrell Stuckey 	SD 	
Chris Maragos 	SEA 	
Jeron Johnson 	SEA 	R
Donte Whitner 	SF 	
Darian Stewart 	STL 	
Matt Giordano 	STL 	
Bernard Pollard 	TEN 	
Corey Lynch 	TEN 	
Brandon Meriweather 	WAS 	
Reed Doughty 	WAS 	
Jose Gumbs 	WAS

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heres another site with a list of available safeties, including what their last contract looked like

http://overthecap.com/freeagents.php?Position=S&Year=2014

[Striker]

Arthur Jones or Lamaar Houston would be intriguing players to shore up the defensive line.

[run pMc]

heres another site with a list of available safeties, including what their last contract looked like

http://overthecap.com/freeagents.php...on=S&Year=2014

Not great pickings...maybe they make a play for Jeron Johnson. He was put on IR with a hamstring so he'd fit right in:

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=76834&draftyear=2011&genpos=SS

12/11/13 - SS Jeron Johnson was placed on injured reserve after pulling his hamstring on Sunday, capping a season in which he has suffered two other hamstring injuries

[gbgary]

the best safety...and then draft the best te available with their first pick (unless there's a college safety better than anything in fa).

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the best safety...and then draft the best te available with their first pick (unless there's a college safety better than anything in fa).

the big difference between signing the best safety or drafting the best safety is gonna be about 8 or 9 million a year

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

The big question is whats going to happen with Finley. If Finley keeps playing and re-signs for a fair contract then in all honesty they could go defense heavy in the draft again. Sprinkling in a couple olinemen and wr's along the way. TE becomes a major need if Finley is truly done. I like Quarless, but not as the permanent starter. Either way the most logical target should be a player like TJ Ward. If you can sign Ward and draft Mosley in round one I look for a quick turn around next year (assuming you keep Shields even with losing Raji).

[woodbuck27]

http://overthecap.com/potential-2014-salary-cap-cuts/

Potential 2014 Salary Cap Cuts

comment woodbuck27 and please Note :

A list of players who could be in danger of being cut next year, and what the estimated cap savings will be and some thoughts on each player. If you click on the column header you can sort by name, team or position to navigate the chart a bit easier.

So if you see a player that you feel the Packers might be interested in. Check out the chart on the LINK and see if there's any note RE: your guy and what his last teams CAP hit was for the team he played for before before becoming a FA.

ie Checking under the team name Packers:

You'll fin 'only' one roster player mentioned:

AJ Hawk and you'll see this:

CAP Saving = $1.9 Million$ and this NOTE:

"Packers usually limit dead money on books but *** have to realize Hawk is ineffective*** and its time to cut bait" For all AJ Hawk Fans on Packerrats ... I'm not the author of this...

Immediately I see *** this and I connect that to the fact I know that AJ Hawk is the Packers leading tackler. Then I think OK our defense is really bad.

As a LBer in our 3-4 Base 'D', it's not a surprize that AJ Hawk is the Packers leading tackler.

The author responsible for this LINK isn't impressed with AJ Hawk.

More.... I need more .....why!?

I'd next wonder where he's ranked at his ILB position on a reputable site? ie Pro Football Focus (Do we need a subscription?) or is there some other as or more useful site to use for my evaluation of AJ Hawk?

I need to be convinced that he clearly SUCKS or is close to sucking.. . before I can assess AJ Hawk's value to the Green Bay Packers in my mind and as a Packer fan.

How I should treat the knowledge here in this LINK above in terms of usefulness @ feedback to Packerrats.

I'm just one of those LOSERS that bases my evaluations, any decisions for a good part...if not greatest part... based on staistics. Again I try to avoid the subjective and decision making.

ie I like DT/NT Ryan Pickett and DE Johnny Jolly but it's got to be "a so what and a decision to retain either man" based on objective analysis.
...
I do so as I want to be objective not subjective.

Feedback Please.

I'm merely demonstrating the use of and not the effectiveness of this tool. I havn't evaluated it to any extent at this time.

Maybe? have a look at it as you find time. Follow-up by give Packerrats some feedback RE: Your findings.

ie ...Is it useful ... a bag of lies or ... or worse.

Thank You.

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http://overthecap.com/potential-2014-salary-cap-cuts/

Potential 2014 Salary Cap Cuts

comment woodbuck27 and please Note :

A list of players who could be in danger of being cut next year, and what the estimated cap savings will be and some thoughts on each player. If you click on the column header you can sort by name, team or position to navigate the chart a bit easier.

So if you see a player that you feel the Packers might be interested in. Check out the chart on the LINK and see if there's any note RE: your guy and what his last teams CAP hit was for the team he played for before before becoming a FA.

i like how they list hawk as a possible cut because he's ineffective and the team could save 1.9 million

however, there is no mention of cutting the somehow even worse brad jones and saving 2 million

[Joemailman]

i like how they list hawk as a possible cut because he's ineffective and the team could save 1.9 million

however, there is no mention of cutting the somehow ever worse brad jones and saving 2 million

They probably don't know who Brad Jones is.

[woodbuck27]

i like how they list hawk as a possible cut because he's ineffective and the team could save 1.9 million

however, there is no mention of cutting the somehow even worse brad jones and saving 2 million

Good point red.

See This:

http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/contracts/nfl/gb/

RE: AJ HAWK.. 3/3/2011: Signed a five-year, $33.75 million contract. The deal included an $8 million signing bonus, first-year $1.8 million roster bonus, and a third-year roster bonus of $2.21 million. Annual $250,000 workout bonuses are available in years two through five. *** 2014-2015: $2.45 million (+ $800,000 roster bonus),

2016: Free Agent

*** NOT $1.9 M$ CAP Savings so is that extra a part of Hawks original $8 million signing bonus?

[woodbuck27]

They probably don't know who Brad Jones is.

Jones is a popular name.