KG Steps Down

[pbmax]

Everybody has such short memories. Before GB drafted Perry nearly everybody said he was a horrid fit for a 3-4

I thought you were in banking not PR. Horrid is not a synonym for "better fit as a 4-3 end". Scouts are often wrong about this stuff.

The Packers do not need him to project fantastic as a coverage guy. They needed run support/edge setting and pass rush. He does those two things pretty well.

In coverage, he needs to play leverage to force his coverage guy to a spot, which is simply a mental process and positioning, much less challenging than forcing LeBron to his left. Or he needs to sit in a zone and make an open field tackle. He doesn't need to be Deion.

The Steelers guy, LaMaar Woodley, is exactly the prototype. He was a DE at Michigan and isn't a coverage maven. The Steelers got him in the 2nd round I believe because he was a tweener, no one agreed on his best fit. Same deal with Perry.

[pbmax]

Serious question: according to this, http://www.espnwisconsin.com/common/...2801&is_corp=1

Green had six coaching internships while he was between careers, before landing a job in Green Bay after an interview with M3. I have read that elsewhere, so I am pretty sure its the case. Did he think of this as a part-time gig until finally getting serious or did it take him six years to get hired?

Capers offers an explanation that it was KG's choice in one instance:

“I think at that point in time, he really, really wanted to do it,” said Capers, who gave Greene one of those internships while working for the Miami Dolphins and coach Nick Saban – then went to bat for Greene with Saban, only to see Greene decide not to get into coaching at the time.

[mraynrand]

People sometimes forget, don't know, or can't possibly empathize with how much time these coaches put in. Some of these guys put in 80+ hours a week. Try doing that for 1 year, then 2 then 10 and see how you hold up.

[channtheman]

People sometimes forget, don't know, or can't possibly empathize with how much time these coaches put in. Some of these guys put in 80+ hours a week. Try doing that for 1 year, then 2 then 10 and see how you hold up.

Right. And if he has saved enough money to not work for a few years, or ever again, than good for him. Go spend time with your family.

Does anyone have any idea how much these coaches make?

[Patler]

Also anyone questioning Greenes coaching ability is talking out of their ass.

Couldn't we say the same thing about anyone who says he is a great coach? Seriously, do any of us really know if Greene is any good or not as a coach? I think the evidence is conflicting for Greene. On the positive side you have Matthews, Neal's transition this year, I think the play of Zombo as an URFA. On the negative side you have the slow development of Perry, poor performances of OLBs against SF (including Mattews in the playoff game last year), and the general lack of impact from all the other OLBs who have come through GB. I have little feel for how much credit he deserves for the positive, or blame for the negatives. I'm willing to be convinced.

I think Edgar Bennett has shown positive impact time and time again going all the way back to the year he lost starting RBs almost weekly and had FAs up to speed by the next week. Back after back reduced their fumbles and became better, even very, very good blockers under his coaching. The WRs show similar development.

I like the passion that Greene has shown, but really have no idea whether or not he is an effective coach.

[Brandon494]

Of course Palter has to nick pick every comment I make. Besides Matthews what talent has he had to work with at OLB? It's unfair to judge Perry's progression when he can't even stay healthy. Stop trying to start an argument for the fuck of it. Before Greene walked away I didn't hear one person question his coaching ability.

[Brandon494]

As far as Bennett look at the talent he has gotten to work with compared to what Greene had.

[mraynrand]

It's unfair to judge Perry's progression when he can't even stay healthy.

Injury Prone!

[Patler]

Of course Palter has to nick pick every comment I make. Besides Matthews what talent has he had to work with at OLB? It's unfair to judge Perry's progression when he can't even stay healthy. Stop trying to start an argument for the fuck of it. Before Greene walked away I didn't hear one person question his coaching ability.

Nit picking? You made an awfully assertive statement about his coaching ability, stating that no one should even question his coaching ability. I think it is up to debate, for the reasons I said. How is that nit picking? Maybe he is the best assistant they have. Maybe he is the worst. I really have no idea.

Is this a big loss for the Packers?
Is this a step forward for the Packers?
I really don't know, but I think it is an interesting question for the off season..

[bobblehead]

Of course Palter has to nick pick every comment I make. Besides Matthews what talent has he had to work with at OLB? It's unfair to judge Perry's progression when he can't even stay healthy. Stop trying to start an argument for the fuck of it. Before Greene walked away I didn't hear one person question his coaching ability.

I refer you to your sig...sort of. That what we do at packerrats.

[Patler]

As far as Bennett look at the talent he has gotten to work with compared to what Greene had.

Bennett caught my interest in 2005. He started the season with Green, Davenport and Fisher. Davenport went to IR and Rashard Lee was signed. Green went to IR and Walt Williams was signed. Fisher was hurt and Gado was signed. Williams went to IR. Noah Herron was signed. Rashard Lee went to IR. Gado was hurt and missed the last two games. Green began the seasons as the starter/primary ball carrier, then it was Davenport, then Fisher, then Lee, then Gado, then Herron. RB's were dropping so fast that an article described how several weeks in a row Bennett met newly signed ball carriers on Tuesday and had to have them ready to play significant snaps on Sunday. The article described how he simplified the passing game for them, and for the most part they did well in protection.

Two years later he began working with Brandon Jackson, who was a terrible blocker, and made him a solid third down back by the time he left as a free agent. With WRs the last three years he weathered a lot of injuries last year and this, has Boykin playing better than I hoped, and seems to get the best out of his guys. He Just seems like an effective coach all the way around, looking at it strictly from the outside as a fan.

[woodbuck27]

Bennett caught my interest in 2005. He started the season with Green, Davenport and Fisher. Davenport went to IR and Rashard Lee was signed. Green went to IR and Walt Williams was signed. Fisher was hurt and Gado was signed. Williams went to IR. Noah Herron was signed. Rashard Lee went to IR. Gado was hurt and missed the last two games. Green began the seasons as the starter/primary ball carrier, then it was Davenport, then Fisher, then Lee, then Gado, then Herron. RB's were dropping so fast that an article described how several weeks in a row Bennett met newly signed ball carriers on Tuesday and had to have them ready to play significant snaps on Sunday. The article described how he simplified the passing game for them, and for the most part they did well in protection.

Two years later he began working with Brandon Jackson, who was a terrible blocker, and made him a solid third down back by the time he left as a free agent. With WRs the last three years he weathered a lot of injuries last year and this, has Boykin playing better than I hoped, and seems to get the best out of his guys. He Just seems like an effective coach all the way around, looking at it strictly from the outside as a fan.

Negating Brandon Jackson (above) In the 2005 season Edgar Bennet coached seven (7) RB's !

WOW !)

[woodbuck27]

So, when our defense rebounds to finish next year ranked #12 with all the same players (basically) are all the over reactors on this board going to conclude that KG was the problem?

Aren't we allowed to simply feel any degree of emotional pain over this loss?

Damn ! It's just that and me bobblehead. I'm NOT writing for this board.

I'm feeling shitty over the loss of Kevin Greene and your certain sarcastic lack of compassion isn't helping me. Maybe others here do feel the same. From my view Kevin Greene 'only' coach that even closely resembled anything even looking half alive on the Packer sideline.

That he has decided that he has to get himself; his wife and children out of Green Bay.

For my Packer fan 'ness', that's a LOSS !

It's ... just ... that.

You make light of it as "You've" decided to.

Your post suggests that any improvemet in the Packer 'D' in 2014 is a reflecton of the poor quality of coaching of "one Man ... Kevin Greene". How fricken sick is that to even suggest!?

Think again please. Before you "post down" to anyone that approved of Kevin Greene.

I'm one of the members here that got there bobblehead. I've got my eyes open. I've got more open as I persevere as a Packer fan. Such nonsense pisses me off.

Any Packerrat ( Packer fan) that enjoyed what Kevin Greene "obviously brought to the table" , every fricken' day of his fricken' time as a Packer coach. Count the years bobblehead. That Packer fan...deserves to feel.... and express loss.

When Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy get their ass's canned out of Green Bay. I'll feel respectfully for them. Have they done anything good?

They sure have and so did Kevin Greene.

bobblehead:

Are you 'someone' that continually undresses someone even while they lie in their grave?

Ask of yourself that question. Answer to yourself ... that question.

Maybe? dig deep... dig somewhere deep inside of you...Try to give members here some decency and respect for their feelings.

Moreso... Try harder to demonstrate some decency... maybe muster a tad of respect for all that Coach Kevin Greene tried to at least give the Green Bay Packer organization.

"YOU" ........... just got your ass kicked.

[Fritz]

As far as Bennett look at the talent he has gotten to work with compared to what Greene had.

Really? Before Lacey was drafted, the Packers had guys like Brandon Jackson, Alex Green, the sixth round pick James Starks, Ryan Grant (who was obtained for a sixth round pick). How is that front line talent? Not a one was a first round pick, and people on this board bitched about TT moving back and back and "settling" for Lacey.

I don't like the slant the JSO is offering which is pure speculation - that Greene may have left because he was given so little talent to work with.

The only other position group I can think of that has two first-rounders to work with is the offensive line, and both Sherrod and Bulaga have been unable to stay on the field, as Perry has.

The article I'm thinking of is the one in which the author - Silverstein, I think - mentions all these dregs that Greene was given to work with, as if TT invested nothing in the position and Greene was tired of it. Buried deep in the article is the "oh, by the way, yeah, he had Matthews and another first rounder,Perry, but was hurt." So somehow that one doesn't count. And Neal, a former second round pick - I suppose he doesn't count, either.

Look at other position groups. How many of the receivers are first rounders? How many of the cornerbacks? The tight ends?

No position group can be made up of all first and second rounders. So to pretend that maybe the Packers drove Greene away because they expected him to make silk purses out of sows' ears is too much.

Sure, these guys are mostly converting from DE, but as others have pointed out, that's typical in the NFL in general as few college teams run a 3-4.

My criticism is not of Greene. Not at all. I wish he were still coaching; I liked him.

But I am criticizing the way the JSO is trying to slant this, as another aggregeous error made by TT and MM that drove Greene away.

[Patler]

Really? Before Lacey was drafted, the Packers had guys like Brandon Jackson, Alex Green, the sixth round pick James Starks, Ryan Grant (who was obtained for a sixth round pick). How is that front line talent? Not a one was a first round pick, and people on this board bitched about TT moving back and back and "settling" for Lacey.

I don't like the slant the JSO is offering which is pure speculation - that Greene may have left because he was given so little talent to work with.

The only other position group I can think of that has two first-rounders to work with is the offensive line, and both Sherrod and Bulaga have been unable to stay on the field, as Perry has.

The article I'm thinking of is the one in which the author - Silverstein, I think - mentions all these dregs that Greene was given to work with, as if TT invested nothing in the position and Greene was tired of it. Buried deep in the article is the "oh, by the way, yeah, he had Matthews and another first rounder,Perry, but was hurt." So somehow that one doesn't count. And Neal, a former second round pick - I suppose he doesn't count, either.

Look at other position groups. How many of the receivers are first rounders? How many of the cornerbacks? The tight ends?

No position group can be made up of all first and second rounders. So to pretend that maybe the Packers drove Greene away because they expected him to make silk purses out of sows' ears is too much.

Sure, these guys are mostly converting from DE, but as others have pointed out, that's typical in the NFL in general as few college teams run a 3-4.

My criticism is not of Greene. Not at all. I wish he were still coaching; I liked him.

But I am criticizing the way the JSO is trying to slant this, as another aggregeous error made by TT and MM that drove Greene away.

Ya, I thought the article had a peculiar slant, too. Besides that two first rounders and the second round pick, Greene had a guy he virtually hand-picked, according to articles.

Campen is given mostly LTs to work with, and several former TEs with limited OL experience before the draft. What have the DB coaches been given? Mostly a bunch of undrafted guys (Shields, Williams, Bush, Jennings, Richardson, Nixon, Banjo). By comparison, OLB has been given a lot of attention in the draft. There are 53 roster spots and only seven draft picks each year.