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  • #16
    Originally posted by Maxie the Taxi View Post
    If memory serves, the Patriots were penalized for a pick in that game.

    The moral of the story is that the there are way too many penalties called in the NFL today...or not enough. My point is that there are way to many rules in the NFL and way too many that require a judgment call. So there is little consistency and too many momentum changing and game changing calls. IMO the biggest sore spots are pass interference, offensive holding and encroachment.
    Agreed. The whole pass game rulebook should be gone over and weeded out.
    Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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    • #17
      They pretty much call encroachment every time and seldom get it wrong. That and false start are actually two of the penalties that are nearly 100% correctly enforced.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Fritz View Post
        I wish that the refs would just call the damn play by the rules. Pick plays are illegal and they ought to be called, especially the flagrant ones. Like that one.
        This.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Fritz View Post
          I wish that the refs would just call the damn play by the rules. Pick plays are illegal and they ought to be called, especially the flagrant ones. Like that one.
          Yes. Try to get it straight and focused on consistency.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by smuggler View Post
            They pretty much call encroachment every time and seldom get it wrong. That and false start are actually two of the penalties that are nearly 100% correctly enforced.
            I wish we had statistics on that. With all the twisting and pointing by OL and jumping by DL now, it's hard for an ordinary fan to be convinced the calls are consistent. I swear a lot of times a DL lines up with his hand across the line and it's not consistently called. To me it's like offsides on kickoffs that is rarely enforced except on onsides kicks.
            One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
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            • #21
              So Belichick reads minds as well? He knows that Welker's intent was to injure Talib?

              Well, if Belichick doesn't read minds, Heath Evans of the NFL Network and a former teammate of Welker does. He KNOWS that Welker's intent was to take out Talib and change the whole course of the game. Evans must be a graduate of the Warren Sapp School of Journalism.

              Belichick is a sore loser. He's still pissed about Welker's critical comments about him during the summer and the grief he took from the fans and press for not resigning Welker. That's my guess, at least, because I can't read minds like he can.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Kiwon View Post
                So Belichick reads minds as well? He knows that Welker's intent was to injure Talib?

                Well, if Belichick doesn't read minds, Heath Evans of the NFL Network and a former teammate of Welker does. He KNOWS that Welker's intent was to take out Talib and change the whole course of the game. Evans must be a graduate of the Warren Sapp School of Journalism.

                Belichick is a sore loser. He's still pissed about Welker's critical comments about him during the summer and the grief he took from the fans and press for not resigning Welker. That's my guess, at least, because I can't read minds like he can.
                Its also given him a week (plus Super Bowl week) that the dominant story won't be another playoff flameout.

                But I think he is genuinely ticked that Talib was knocked out. He's always pushing the envelope of the rules and I wouldn't be surprised if he was mad it came back to bite him. Come to think of it, the reason Evans and Bill know he was trying to hurt Talib might be because that's how the taught it in NE.
                Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                • #23
                  I think it's obvious Welker was trying to light Talib up. Hey, that's football. It's not like Talib was jogging 30 yards behind a Brett Favre interception. That was in the middle of the action.
                  "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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                  • #24
                    Are you ready... to play

                    Some football?

                    ** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
                    ** To download Jesus Loves Me ring tones, you'll need a cell phone mame
                    ** If God doesn't fish, play poker or pull for " the Packers ", exactly what does HE do with his buds?
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by woodbuck27 View Post
                      Are you ready... to play

                      Some football?

                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC29YXnK3KI
                      lol, ok Woody, that is funny!

                      Back to my original question - seems the consensus is that the NFL doesn't care about a statement like that one, even if it is pretty slanderous and if believed puts Welker in a pretty bad light. I know coaches/players can get fined for publicly criticizing refs, so I thought they might take a dim view of this as well, especially in the post-Saints bounty era. *shrug** seems like we're the only ones still talking about it.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Guiness View Post
                        *shrug** seems like we're the only ones still talking about it.
                        You'd think we'd have something more interesting to do, like flossing our teeth.
                        "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by mraynrand View Post
                          You'd think we'd have something more interesting to do, like flossing our teeth.
                          Or paying attention to the Brown's coaching search.
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                          • #28
                            Well well well. Turns out we were barking up the wrong tree. The hit was not only not intended to injure, it was apparently legal - we all thought it was not.

                            Patriots coach Bill Belichick didn't like it, but Broncos receiver Wes Welker didn't violate NFL rules when he hit Patriots cornerback Aqib Talib on Sunday.
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                            Imagine for a moment a world without hypothetical situations...

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Guiness View Post
                              Well well well. Turns out we were barking up the wrong tree. The hit was not only not intended to injure, it was apparently legal - we all thought it was not.

                              http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...lib-was-legal/
                              I didn't expect the NFL to say otherwise, because the rule allows for judgement by the ref:

                              "It is also pass interference by the offense to block a defender beyond the line while the pass is in the air, if the block occurs in the vicinity of the player to whom the pass is thrown."

                              The pass is clearly in the air when the block is initiated, but that's split-second, so even if the ref got it wrong, it's totally understandable. But the pass itself was beyond the block - a ref could easily judge that the block wasn't in the VICINITY of the intended receiver. Case closed - except maybe for a fine, which seems highly unlikely at this point. After all, Bill probably has some compromising video of NFL officials and/or administrators.
                              "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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                              • #30
                                No, it's not legal. They're just saying that to make the problem disappear. It's definitively NOT a legal play.

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