TT Speaks, sort of...

[Bretsky]

The other safety gone last year was Kenny Vaccaro. I heard he was playing well before he got hurt for the Saints.

Sorry....you are spot on and right.....and he was having a very nice season. He was playing better than my man Reed...who had a better year than Elam.
In retrospect I'd be happy with any of them.

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IMO Brad Jones wins the Captain Obvious award for being paid way too much. The orginal contract for Hawk was a bit high but we needed him to stay at that point. I defended the Finley signing so I'm not going the other way there. I think think Burnett can become a player; he just needs a veteran to get back there and get him into position so he can just play.

burnett might become a player after we draft a rookie who will be making 1/10th of what burnett does, to show him (burnett) how to play the position. and to make all the big time plays so morgan can go back to looking like his old average self

that doesn't seem right either, does it

also, finley was the second highest paid TE in the league this season.

at no point in his career has he ever strung more then a few plays together that makes you think he is a top 5 or 10 TE. IMO

[3irty1]

hawk is still overpaid even after the restructure, he's set to be the 8th highest cap number for a ILB next season. is he a top 10 ILB? i'd say no
brad jones contract is just insane
tramon is being paid like a top 5 cb in the nfl. he is not close to a top 5 CB. and there's no guarantee that a player is going to restructure and just give up money.

crosby's contract i'm fine with as long as he doesn't play like he did in 2012

finley was paid like a top 5 TE, he has never come close to playing at that level IMO
the morgan burnett deal is even worse then the brad jones deal because we can't cut burnett for another couple years because the cap hit will be greater then the crazy amount we're going to be overpaying one of the worst starting safeties in the NFL

raji was offered top linemen money even after last season (2012) when it started to become obvious that he wasn't doing anything in our system.

Hawk and Jones are 15th and 18th respectively in cap hit for 2014 and that's without anyone who will be jumping ahead of them during free agency. Its also some flawed logic to think that the Xth highest paid should be the Xth best player as those players on rookie contracts offer value that will never be matched by players who have been signed and resigned.

This fact is the key to why the Packers suck IMO. Now that we've had to pay the piper on all of our elite players, its more important than ever to get production out of the players on our rookie contracts as they are the only good deals in the NFL. But only rookies come with rookie contracts so its the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th years of these contracts where you look for these guys to outplay their paycheck. But instead of draft and develop, its been draft and get injured for the Packers. One year of injuries is bad, multiple years in a row not only robs players of their development giving us 3rd and 4th year rookies thereby fucking us out of tons of money. Have the injuries really been that bad? Yes there are. I made this, take a look:

Ain't that some BULLSHIT???? Keep in mind we were also top 3 in injuries for 2010 and middle of the road in 2011 (although we lost Nick Collins forever).

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The other safety gone last year was Kenny Vaccaro. I heard he was playing well before he got hurt for the Saints.

yeah, i never really watched him play this year, but when he got hurt, a lot of the talking heads said it was a massive blow to the team

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Hawk and Jones are 15th and 18th respectively in cap hit for 2014 and that's without anyone who will be jumping ahead of them during free agency. Its also some flawed logic to think that the Xth highest paid should be the Xth best player as those players on rookie contracts offer value that will never be matched by players who have been signed and resigned.

This fact is the key to why the Packers suck IMO. Now that we've had to pay the piper on all of our elite players, its more important than ever to get production out of the players on our rookie contracts as they are the only good deals in the NFL. But only rookies come with rookie contracts so its the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th years of these contracts where you look for these guys to outplay their paycheck. But instead of draft and develop, its been draft and get injured for the Packers. One year of injuries is bad, multiple years in a row not only robs players of their development giving us 3rd and 4th year rookies thereby fucking us out of tons of money. Have the injuries really been that bad? Yes there are. I made this, take a look:

Ain't that some BULLSHIT???? Keep in mind we were also top 3 in injuries for 2010 and middle of the road in 2011 (although we lost Nick Collins forever).

great chart 31. i love me a good chat or graph

[woodbuck27]

Red, just take a step back and honestly ask yourself who is TT overpaying?

Hawk was restructured.
Crosby was restructured.
Tramon will mostly likely be restructured.
B Jones might get restructured or cut.
Raji was offer $8M I am sure the offer is much less now.
Gregg Jennings was offered more than the Vikings finally gave him.
Burnett will be given another year to see if he is worth his contract or cut after 2014 season.
James Jones is on the team for a lot less than originally offered by TT when JJ rolled the dice and got a case of the drops.

It is laughable that TT overpays anyone for more than a year on our team. If a player doesn't perform he gets restructured, cut or let go.

What do you mean... "laughable"... ThunderDan?

Is there much connected to TT and overspending that's "laughable" in terms of looking at his spending habits. we all realize that he has our CAP (or Russ ball ) has our CAP in decent to good shape.

How many shareholders do you imagine are laughing off TT's ridiculous offer to BJ Raji. How do you explain that error ThunderDan.

ILB AJ Hawk hasn't had to rob the Packers kitty from the time he arrived considering his so-so status as an ILB. No it's been way to easy. T has over and over rewarded AJ Hawk as a bottom line. What was he the fifth highest paid Green Bay Packer in 2013.

ILB A.J. Hawk 3/3/2011: Signed a five-year, $33.75 million contract. The deal included an $8 million signing bonus, first-year $1.8 million roster bonus, and a third-year roster bonus of $2.21 million.[/COLOR][/B] Annual $250,000 workout bonuses are available in years two through five. 2014-2015: $2.45 million (+ $800,000 roster bonus),

2016: Free Agent

A.J. Hawk 2013-14 Salary...5,200,000

Look at the sick money that TT, "as the bottom line responsibility" allowed Russ Ball to award Jermichael Finley for what? How do you justify TT and that mad money to Finley ThunderDan?

http://www.sportscity.com/nfl/salaries/green-bay-packers-salaries/

Jermichael Finley 2013 Salary $8,750,000


ILB Brad Jones 20123-14 $2,500,000 and he maybe? ...gets a raise that he doesn't deserve to a cool

$4,000,000 for 2014-15 and for 2-15-16 a raise 4,750,000...unless this contract is restructured by Russ Ball >>>Ted Thompson.

Look at Sam Shields trying to sqeeze more out of TT and he will or he's not returning.

That same goes for BJ Raji who's so clear on the Packers "desperation and Defensive Line"; that he's laughing at TT's way too exorbitant $8 Million $ / year. He knows he can sweat TT. Especially now with Ryan Pickets age (34 years old) and that coupled with the not insignificant injury to Johnny Jolly. Chip in with the contract status of D Mike Neil and CW Wilson as FA'a .

What's "laughable"..... about all the above ThunderDan?

The 'only' people laughing are these Packers that red mentions.

[Smidgeon]

burnett might become a player after we draft a rookie who will be making 1/10th of what burnett does, to show him (burnett) how to play the position. and to make all the big time plays so morgan can go back to looking like his old average self

that doesn't seem right either, does it

also, finley was the second highest paid TE in the league this season.

at no point in his career has he ever strung more then a few plays together that makes you think he is a top 5 or 10 TE. IMO

I'd argue that the 2009 playoffs and 2010 until he wrecked his knee he WAS playing like a Top 3 or 2 TE. He was downright dominating during that stretch. He just never recovered post injury.

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I'd argue that the 2009 playoffs and 2010 until he wrecked his knee he WAS playing like a Top 3 or 2 TE. He was downright dominating during that stretch. He just never recovered post injury.

so, a 4 game stretch? out of a 6 year career?

[mraynrand]

so, a 4 game stretch? out of a 6 year career?

50-60 receptions, 7-800 yards, maybe 5-10 TDs - that's what you're gonna get from him in the Packer offense, assuming you keep throwing to 4-5 wideouts and the running backs.

The thing that bothers me about Finley is that even at the start of 2013, Rodgers was still having to direct him where to line up at times. That's absurd. Finley's easily a top 10 TE, but if he wants to be #1 or 2 elite, he's gotta get his mind right. And now he has to get medically cleared to boot.

[call_me_ishmael]

so, a 4 game stretch? out of a 6 year career?

Yep. I wouldn't pay Finley. Period. He has had maybe 6-8 good/great games out of a potential 96. If you only perform well 7% of the available time, that is not good enough. He can move on.

[denverYooper]

Bostick is the future.

The only problem is that the Packers don't seem to want to line up a TE who doesn't really block.

Watch Julius Thomas for the Broncos. That could be Bostick: horrible blocker but a pretty good/fast/big target.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

hawk is still overpaid even after the restructure, he's set to be the 8th highest cap number for a ILB next season. is he a top 10 ILB? i'd say no
brad jones contract is just insane
tramon is being paid like a top 5 cb in the nfl. he is not close to a top 5 CB. and there's no guarantee that a player is going to restructure and just give up money.

crosby's contract i'm fine with as long as he doesn't play like he did in 2012

finley was paid like a top 5 TE, he has never come close to playing at that level IMO
the morgan burnett deal is even worse then the brad jones deal because we can't cut burnett for another couple years because the cap hit will be greater then the crazy amount we're going to be overpaying one of the worst starting safeties in the NFL

raji was offered top linemen money even after last season (2012) when it started to become obvious that he wasn't doing anything in our system.

Couldn't have said it better.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Bostick is the future.

The only problem is that the Packers don't seem to want to line up a TE who doesn't really block.

Watch Julius Thomas for the Broncos. That could be Bostick: horrible blocker but a pretty good/fast/big target.

I seriously hope not. Some good TE options in the draft and I hope we pick one.

[mraynrand]

Yep. I wouldn't pay Finley. Period. He has had maybe 6-8 good/great games out of a potential 96. If you only perform well 7% of the available time, that is not good enough. He can move on.

pretty superficial analysis

[mraynrand]

Bostick is the future.

The only problem is that the Packers don't seem to want to line up a TE who doesn't really block.

cuz then he's not really a TE, just another receiver.