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As it turns out, the way the talent is spread in the first round means we agree. All I'm saying is the return on investment when our FO selects a WR as BPA is pretty stellar, so if the BPA is a WR, then I feel comfortable selecting that player. No, Evans probably won't fall to 21, and any other WR except Watkins (LOL) would very likely not be evaluated as BPA at 21.
But, if the Lions, Giants, Bills, and Jets all decide they like the WR depth enough to pass on Evans, and he does slide, that's the time to strike.
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Funny how things change in a couple months.
I thought Mosley was the player we needed, but was a pipe dream to get. Then he fell a little and it starting looking like he might be available for the Packers pick. Now, I'm scared the Packers might take him (assuming he's there) but I don't want him because of the injury concerns.
May 8th can't get here soon enough.
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ya, I think pack would have to trade up to get any more value from a receiver (WR or TE) than they could get in the second. (Might see them trade up in second to make sure they get the guy they want).Originally posted by Brandon494 View PostSo why take a WR in the 1st round? Greg Jennings 2nd round, Jordy Nelson 2nd round, Randall Cobb 2nd round, James Jones 3rd round, Boykins drafted FA. I'm all for BPA on defense but unless a guy like Watkins or Evans falls (which they won't) we have no business taking a WR with our 1st pick.
The more I think about it, I think TT will take Blackhawk - I'm betting TT sees him as the solution to cleaning up that soft middle that so many teams exploit.."Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck
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Yeah, there will probably be a run on WR's in the 2nd round... but I see the drop off at the other positions as being such that we should pass on WR in the 1st.Originally posted by woodbuck27 View PostWould you be disappointed if TT went WR?
I make it that about 1/3 of the teams have a first or second priority need at WR.
I see a run on WR's in Rd 2.
TT could select a top notch WR @ pick NO. 21 and ( go BPA ... DE;TE or Safety) @ Pick #53 in Rd. 2.
I have my heart set on Dante Moncrief in the 2nd, but I don't think he'll be there at #53 - so maybe we do some moving around. I actually wouldn't mind seeing us trade down out of the 1st round altogether.
There are just so many WR's... fewer DB's. I expect there'll be a quality WR there at our pick 53.
Take a pick from a block of players that I already mentions @21
Eric Ebron, TE
Calvin Pryor, S
Ryan Shazier, LB
Jimmy Ward, S
Clinton-Dix, S
Kyle Fuller, CB
Bradley Roby, CB
Then from a block of players @53
Moncrief
Cody Latimer
Davante Adams
Bradley Roby (maybe he drops b/c of the legal stuff??)
Terrance Brooks, FS, FSU
Lamarcus Joyner, CB, FSU
Phillip Gaines, CB, Rice
Kyly Van Noy, LB, BYU
Billy Turner, OT, North Dakota State
Carl Bradford, ILB, ASU
I like both of FSU's LB's Christian Jones and Telvin Smith, but both of those guys are slotted a little further down. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder though, so depending on how TT views those guys... I like both of 'em.wist
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I like it Woody! Why take one when you can take two? Like getting Lacy and Franklin last year at a position of obvious need. The other thing I like is where you are drafting these two. Hey, if the team considers a safety is BAP at #21, take him. I think there might be someone at another position who is rated higher, so waiting to draft a safety is not a bad idea, especially if you could end up with the two you picked.Originally posted by woodbuck27 View PostI've looked at both for my mock.
SS Deone Bucannon (Sr.) 6' - 1 " and 211 lbs @ Pick #53 (and maybe a slight reach here !?).
FS Ed Reynolds (rJr) and 6'-1" and 207 lbs - Fr. Stanford @ Pick #121"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." -Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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Don't see Bucannon at all... he simply can't break down, backpedal, or match up in coverage well enough. He's high-cut, stiff, and straight linish. He's not a good fit for the Packers.
Wasn't thrilled with what I saw of Reynolds either... but I can at least see him having a chance to develop. Lower round pick I think.wist
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wist, that's 19 listed players for 2 picks within the first 53 of the draft. 19/53, I think the chances you get your wish (at least one) are pretty high.Originally posted by wist43 View PostYeah, there will probably be a run on WR's in the 2nd round... but I see the drop off at the other positions as being such that we should pass on WR in the 1st.
I have my heart set on Dante Moncrief in the 2nd, but I don't think he'll be there at #53 - so maybe we do some moving around. I actually wouldn't mind seeing us trade down out of the 1st round altogether.
There are just so many WR's... fewer DB's. I expect there'll be a quality WR there at our pick 53.
Take a pick from a block of players that I already mentions @21
Eric Ebron, TE
Calvin Pryor, S
Ryan Shazier, LB
Jimmy Ward, S
Clinton-Dix, S
Kyle Fuller, CB
Bradley Roby, CB
Then from a block of players @53
Moncrief
Cody Latimer
Davante Adams
Bradley Roby (maybe he drops b/c of the legal stuff??)
Terrance Brooks, FS, FSU
Lamarcus Joyner, CB, FSU
Phillip Gaines, CB, Rice
Kyly Van Noy, LB, BYU
Billy Turner, OT, North Dakota State
Carl Bradford, ILB, ASU
I like both of FSU's LB's Christian Jones and Telvin Smith, but both of those guys are slotted a little further down. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder though, so depending on how TT views those guys... I like both of 'em.Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
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I agree with Wist that I'd rather not see a WR in the first round - there are so many available, apparently, that the quality you might get in the second round won't be too much different than that of #21, if reports are to be believed. Plus, you don't want to take a WR in the first and have him (Kelvin Benjamin?) bust on you, while the Patriots take a WR in the second or third and he goes on to be an All Pro.Originally posted by pbmax View Postwist, that's 19 listed players for 2 picks within the first 53 of the draft. 19/53, I think the chances you get your wish (at least one) are pretty high.
The only exception to this for me would be if the nearly unthinkable happened: Mike Evans magically dropped into your lap.
Like most of you, though, I do want to see TT take a safety by the third round, at the latest. We tried fourth round no-name Jerron McMessup, and he never did develop."The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
KYPack
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Originally posted by wist43 View PostYeah, there will probably be a run on WR's in the 2nd round... but I see the drop off at the other positions as being such that we should pass on WR in the 1st.
I have my heart set on Dante Moncrief in the 2nd, but I don't think he'll be there at #53 - so maybe we do some moving around. I actually wouldn't mind seeing us trade down out of the 1st round altogether.
There are just so many WR's... fewer DB's. I expect there'll be a quality WR there at our pick 53.
Take a pick from a block of players that I already mentions @21
Eric Ebron, TE
Calvin Pryor, S
Ryan Shazier, LB
Jimmy Ward, S
Clinton-Dix, S
Kyle Fuller, CB
Bradley Roby, CB
Then from a block of players @53
Moncrief
Cody Latimer
Davante Adams
Bradley Roby (maybe he drops b/c of the legal stuff??)
Terrance Brooks, FS, FSU
Lamarcus Joyner, CB, FSU
Phillip Gaines, CB, Rice
Kyly Van Noy, LB, BYU
Billy Turner, OT, North Dakota State
Carl Bradford, ILB, ASU
I like both of FSU's LB's Christian Jones and Telvin Smith, but both of those guys are slotted a little further down. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder though, so depending on how TT views those guys... I like both of 'em.There are so many players similarly rated in that range, that it makes for a lot of options and quells the urge to trade up - which is why I would prefer to move down.Originally posted by pbmax View Postwist, that's 19 listed players for 2 picks within the first 53 of the draft. 19/53, I think the chances you get your wish (at least one) are pretty high.
I don't see us having a lot of glaring needs outside of S and ILB, which is why I want to jump on a Safety early - I think there is a big drop off at Safety after those top few guys.
If we missed on Clinton-Dix, Pryer, and Ward at S; and Shazier at LB, I'd rather just take BPA regardless of position, and let the draft fall where it may. I don't see Mosley as a 1st rounder b/c I don't see him as an everydown LB, and I'd pass at WR for the stated reasons.
That narrows that 1st round pick a bit... but the 2nd round pick is wide open.wist
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Everything about this draft makes me think Ted is trading down. However:
one of the rumblings that has not yet become conventional wisdom is that the extra time has actually been enough for teams to talk themselves out of guys they had liked and highly rated less than a month ago. Rapaport was just talking about this and I saw someone else mention it on CBS.
So its also possible someone surprising falls to 21.Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
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Wonder who that might be.
Plus, there's two more weeks for someone to get arrested for a DUI or smoking pot. That could cause someone's stock to fall.
So who are the pundits saying is falling? Any names from that top fifteen who are now looking more like second rounders? Someone Ted could snatch up at #21?"The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
KYPack
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bridgewaterOriginally posted by Fritz View PostWonder who that might be.
Plus, there's two more weeks for someone to get arrested for a DUI or smoking pot. That could cause someone's stock to fall.
So who are the pundits saying is falling? Any names from that top fifteen who are now looking more like second rounders? Someone Ted could snatch up at #21?
hell, SI had an article today with him still ranked as the top player in the draft, a lot of other people have him falling out of the first round all together
mosely has been dropping for awhile. he started as a top 10 pick and a lot of folks have him going late 1st or even second now
i saw a mock a little bit ago that had pryor going in the second
even some of the post combine bump the ebron had might be starting to wear off. i'm seeing him being mocked a little later now
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