This is What Really Bugs Me About Our Defense

[3irty1]

Lynch was traded, not signed as a FA.

[Striker]

Here's something fun to pile on from the Journal today...

An advantage the Seahawks have over some teams — the Green Bay Packers come to mind — is that their defense isn't complicated. They don't out-scheme you — they beat up your receivers, get in the face of your quarterback and use a safety to cover the gap left open when a team keeps just seven men at the line of scrimmage.

In coach Pete Carroll's defense, the Seahawks play a Cover 3 scheme with free safety Earl Thomas patrolling the deep middle and cornerbacks Richard Sherman and Byron Maxwell playing bump-and-run coverage on the receivers. Chancellor is used like a linebacker, and at any time he and the three designated linebackers can drop into coverage and throw a net around the receivers.

Maybe Capers, for as much as they say he needs vets to run such a complicated scheme, should just "dumb it down" and get them to play basic defense before getting too fancy with his 1 down lineman, 10 defensive back schemes.

[3irty1]

Who the heck cares about Lynch in GB anymore? The year they "should have" gotten him, they won the Super Bowl anyway. Yes, they could have used him in 2011 and 2012, but now they have a guy who is four years younger, has no arrests that I am aware of and willingly engages the press without being forced to do so by $50,000 fines from the NFL.

In fact they might not have won the superbowl had Lynch NOT signed with the Seahawks. Remember when he single-handedly knocked out the reigning champion Saints? Had he not done that the Saints could well have been the team we played in the NFCC and history could look quite different.

[denverYooper]

In fact they might not have won the superbowl had Lynch NOT signed with the Seahawks. Remember when he single-handedly knocked out the reigning champion Saints? Had he not done that the Saints could well have been the team we played in the NFCC and history could look quite different.

Ah yes, the old TT as Timelord argument.

[red]

Ah yes, the old TT as Timelord argument.

so you're saying he has a tardis that looks like an old timey phone both?

[Carolina_Packer]

You talk as if the Seahawks have 5 straight playoff appearances and a superbowl victory and the packers are trying desperately to equal them.

If I did, I didn't mean to. The point is simply that Green Bay seems to be spinning its wheels on defense, has not been able to establish a consistently positive identity, while other teams that weren't so hot when we were winning the Super Bowl now have a very dominant defense. I'm jealous as hell and I want what they have.

[woodbuck27]

Two things stuck out in that article for me: 1) "Schneider wanted Lynch in Green Bay..." and 2) "Carroll has said that he prefers to have a 4-3 defense with 3-4 principles..."

I've always wanted Lynch in Green Bay. I'd like to know who didn't want him and why.

And what the hell is a 4-3 with 3-4 principles?

Answers to those questions might reveal a lot about Green Bay's core personnel and coaching philosophy.

Why are we seeing some 2-4-5 and 2-3-6.

What a waste of those two.

[Iron Mike]

Who the heck cares about Lynch in GB anymore? The year they "should have" gotten him, they won the Super Bowl anyway. Yes, they could have used him in 2011 and 2012, but now they have a guy who is four years younger, has no arrests that I am aware of and willingly engages the press without being forced to do so by $50,000 fines from the NFL.

[Patler]

If I did, I didn't mean to. The point is simply that Green Bay seems to be spinning its wheels on defense, has not been able to establish a consistently positive identity, while other teams that weren't so hot when we were winning the Super Bowl now have a very dominant defense. I'm jealous as hell and I want what they have.

The Packers had an identity on defense in 2010, They have lost that identity. Why have they lost it? The single overriding factor, I think, was the loss of Nick Collins without an adequate replacement. The change that has had on the overall performance of the backfield can not be overstated. In turn that has impacted the entire defense. Add in the injury to Williams, which made him a different player in 2011, 2012 and more than half of 2013, and the ball-hawking ability of the defense was gutted, especially with Hayward, missing this season as well. Then, throw in all the games missed by Matthews the last two seasons and the elements that made the identity of the defense in 2010 are completely missing.

I don't even consider the losses of Woodson and Jenkins, because those age-related losses are to be expected. But when you combine those with the losses of Collins and Hayward, the change in Williams, the games missed by Matthews and the injury--forced switch from Bishop to Jones, you are forced to rebuild the identity from scratch. When the players selected to rebuild that identity, Perry, Worthy, Datone Jones are also injured more than healthy the rebulding effort flounders. It sure doen't help when a healthy component, Burnett, underperforms.

[bobblehead]

If I did, I didn't mean to. The point is simply that Green Bay seems to be spinning its wheels on defense, has not been able to establish a consistently positive identity, while other teams that weren't so hot when we were winning the Super Bowl now have a very dominant defense. I'm jealous as hell and I want what they have.

On this we can agree. I would love a smash mouth defense.

[bobblehead]

The Packers had an identity on defense in 2010, They have lost that identity. Why have they lost it? The single overriding factor, I think, was the loss of Nick Collins without an adequate replacement. The change that has had on the overall performance of the backfield can not be overstated. In turn that has impacted the entire defense. Add in the injury to Williams, which made him a different player in 2011, 2012 and more than half of 2013, and the ball-hawking ability of the defense was gutted, especially with Hayward, missing this season as well. Then, throw in all the games missed by Matthews the last two seasons and the elements that made the identity of the defense in 2010 are completely missing.

I don't even consider the losses of Woodson and Jenkins, because those age-related losses are to be expected. But when you combine those with the losses of Collins and Hayward, the change in Williams, the games missed by Matthews and the injury--forced switch from Bishop to Jones, you are forced to rebuild the identity from scratch. When the players selected to rebuild that identity, Perry, Worthy, Datone Jones are also injured more than healthy the rebulding effort flounders. It sure doen't help when a healthy component, Burnett, underperforms.

There is some reason for hope. A lot of young talent on D is reaching that point where they should/could improve a lot....APRH.

[Smidgeon]

If I did, I didn't mean to. The point is simply that Green Bay seems to be spinning its wheels on defense, has not been able to establish a consistently positive identity, while other teams that weren't so hot when we were winning the Super Bowl now have a very dominant defense. I'm jealous as hell and I want what they have.

True that they don't have the same established identity as Seattle's D, but I'll take GB's O over Seattle's any day of the week and twice on Sundays. Identity for a complete football team are in two and a half areas (ST only gets half a mention). And GB easily is one of the best on the O side, even with Rodgers out for 8 games. We just need the rest of the puzzle (D) to become a complete team. If we did that, we'd be the most complete team in the NFL.

[Pugger]

The Packers had an identity on defense in 2010, They have lost that identity. Why have they lost it? The single overriding factor, I think, was the loss of Nick Collins without an adequate replacement. The change that has had on the overall performance of the backfield can not be overstated. In turn that has impacted the entire defense. Add in the injury to Williams, which made him a different player in 2011, 2012 and more than half of 2013, and the ball-hawking ability of the defense was gutted, especially with Hayward, missing this season as well. Then, throw in all the games missed by Matthews the last two seasons and the elements that made the identity of the defense in 2010 are completely missing.

I don't even consider the losses of Woodson and Jenkins, because those age-related losses are to be expected. But when you combine those with the losses of Collins and Hayward, the change in Williams, the games missed by Matthews and the injury--forced switch from Bishop to Jones, you are forced to rebuild the identity from scratch. When the players selected to rebuild that identity, Perry, Worthy, Datone Jones are also injured more than healthy the rebulding effort flounders. It sure doen't help when a healthy component, Burnett, underperforms.

[woodbuck27]

Here's something fun to pile on from the Journal today...



Maybe Capers, for as much as they say he needs vets to run such a complicated scheme, should just "dumb it down" and get them to play basic defense before getting too fancy with his 1 down lineman, 10 defensive back schemes.

The 2014 SEASON...Green Bay Packers ... Dom Capers "COVER EVERTHING" DEFENSE.























In 2014 The GREEN BAY PACKER VICTORY CRY ! ....

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[Carolina_Packer]

I know it may bother some of the readers when people bring up points of admiration/jealousy for another team, but it's hard when you sit back as a fan and see your team's doors get blown off consistency-wise, toughness-wise and execution-wise by a defense that has basically been built since the Packers won the Super Bowl, which was not that long ago. You say to yourself, if Seattle can do it in that amount of time, then why can't the Packers. What is the road block? What is going to get them where they need to be?

One difference is that Seattle drafts Malcolm Smith in the 7th round, and he's a Super Bowl MVP (of course they could have given it to the entire defense), and we draft someone like Brad Jones, who, while he has had some production initially at OLB then moved to ILB, is not nearly as consistent as the Packers need him to be. I'm not saying I expect our 7th rounders to be Super Bowl MVP's. That's over the top. My point is that Seattle does draft and develop too (along with sprinkling in affordable free agents), but when Seattle coaches them up, they get up to speed quickly, are assignment sure and are part of that nasty, fly to the ball collective that Seattle has on defense. They also consistently play way. The Packers defense dials-up a defensive gem against Detroit at home and Baltimore on the road, but then can't maintain the level of play. I want what Seattle has on defense. Ted, how are you going to respond? The same result next year is just not going to cut it.