Why Can't the Pack Fit Shields, Et Al, Under the Cap?

[pbmax]

If Shields gets to FA, sanity might not rule. If he gets a top of the market deal, I am not sure the Packers match. They don't let those guys get to the market to avoid a surprise.

[Guiness]

If Shields gets to FA, sanity might not rule. If he gets a top of the market deal, I am not sure the Packers match. They don't let those guys get to the market to avoid a surprise.

Ya, things can get pretty silly. Witness Revis, Asomugha...what did that later one get? Annual salary equivalent to the franchise number for...a QB!!! If someone thinks Shields projects to that level, stupidity will ensue. It's not good that a guy of his age and talent level is hitting the open market after a good season, and relatively injury free. If I was part of the Packer front office, I'd be spreading the rumour that he'll never walk again after the SF game.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

If you go with Patler's numbers, that 20 mill for this year, it seems to me you could sign Shields, and have enough left over to offer some crumbs to Neal, Lattimore and Quarless and maybe vet min for Flynn and Francois.

Looking at both lists, maybe TT is addressing his free agents by not addressing most of them...that's a pretty uninspiring list up above, outside of Shields, Jones, Nelson, and Cobb - at least in terms of big difference-makers. I'm not saying the other ones suck; just saying that in terms of playmakers and studs, it's not a huge list.

Other than Van Roten, Richarson, Jennings, Wallace, Newhouse, Banjo, Bush, and Bell it would in all honesty be nice to have everyone of those players back. If I made a top ten list in order of importance to me it would look like this:

1) Nelson
2) Cobb
3) Shields
4) Raji
5) Bulaga
6) Finley (assuming he will be able to continue playing)
7) Williams
8) Jones
9) Neal
10) Flynn

Next up would be Kuhn and EDS. Boykin doesn't make the list because he is a restricted free agent next year so he probably isn't going anywhere for at least 2 more years. EDS is not higher up because I have a good feeling about Tretter. Raji is so high up because I honestly believe we should at least tag him if we can't sign him. He is to talented to just let walk IMO.

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

Ya, things can get pretty silly. Witness Revis, Asomugha...what did that later one get? Annual salary equivalent to the franchise number for...a QB!!! If someone thinks Shields projects to that level, stupidity will ensue. It's not good that a guy of his age and talent level is hitting the open market after a good season, and relatively injury free. If I was part of the Packer front office, I'd be spreading the rumour that he'll never walk again after the SF game.

Hell, I would tell everyone he died...

[Guiness]

Hell, I would tell everyone he died...

Starting with his agent.

Don't know they'd buy it though. He's not you.

[Guiness]

Other than Van Roten, Richarson, Jennings, Wallace, Newhouse, Banjo, Bush, and Bell it would in all honesty be nice to have everyone of those players back. If I made a top ten list in order of importance to me it would look like this:

1) Nelson
2) Cobb
3) Shields
4) Raji
5) Bulaga
6) Finley (assuming he will be able to continue playing)
7) Williams
8) Jones
9) Neal
10) Flynn

Next up would be Kuhn and EDS. Boykin doesn't make the list because he is a restricted free agent next year so he probably isn't going anywhere for at least 2 more years. EDS is not higher up because I have a good feeling about Tretter. Raji is so high up because I honestly believe we should at least tag him if we can't sign him. He is to talented to just let walk IMO.

I don't disagree with your list, but would point out that the order should change based on who is already signed. For instance, if Nelson is signed by the Pack, I think Shields moves ahead of Cobb on the list. And if Nelson and Cobb were to go elsewhere, Jones moves up a half dozen spots!

[3irty1]

I'm alright with Shields moving on but I'm not at all ok with him just walking. TT does the hard part and finds these talents but I'm sick of them just walking away to give us a comp pick. Usually a shitty comp pick at that because they find a way to get injured first.

[MadScientist]

I'm alright with Shields moving on but I'm not at all ok with him just walking. TT does the hard part and finds these talents but I'm sick of them just walking away to give us a comp pick. Usually a shitty comp pick at that because they find a way to get injured first.

The only way the Packers can get more is to franchise Shields. That might be the only way the Packers can keep him as well. Shields bet on himself this season and won't just sign with the Packers unless he gets a full open-market offer unless franchised. Unfortunately that tag has an estimated $11.3M value, which will really hurt signing others unless a long term agreement is worked out quickly.

[pbmax]

The new franchise tags are a bit less steep than under the previous CBA.

What is the franchise tag for a cornerback these days?

[MadScientist]

The new franchise tags are a bit less steep than under the previous CBA.

What is the franchise tag for a cornerback these days?

Official numbers are not out, but the estimate is $11.3M.

[Guiness]

The new franchise tags are a bit less steep than under the previous CBA.

What is the franchise tag for a cornerback these days?

Don't know if the numbers are floating around out there, but the CB amount will be 8 figures, the non-exclusive number was over $10million last year.

[pbmax]

Official numbers are not out, but the estimate is $11.3M.

Just got dizzy reading that. Not sure they'll pay it, but they could, for a year anyway.

So is Shields looking for between $11 and $22 million in guaranteed money in the first two years? Would anyone cough it up?

[Guiness]

Just got dizzy reading that. Not sure they'll pay it, but they could, for a year anyway.

So is Shields looking for between $11 and $22 million in guaranteed money in the first two years? Would anyone cough it up?

[mission]

I'm not at all OK with Shields going anywhere else. Only shutdown corner we have.

Draft and develop philosophy seems pretty silly if we can't keep the guys we develop.

[Guiness]

I'm not at all OK with Shields going anywhere else. Only shutdown corner we have.

Draft and develop philosophy seems pretty silly if we can't keep the guys we develop.

Sometimes it doesn't work out.

He had a down season in 2012 which resulted in him coming back to the Packers for a second round tender after doing a little tour of the league and finding little interest. He bet on himself and won big.