McCarthy and Assistants Speak, Troll Wist

[bobblehead]

Same article, this was articulated:



Now, this is pretty standard coach speak about setting a vision. And I have not seen the video of his PC so I am missing context, but in the article, it looks like McCarthy is ordering up more personnel groups to play to maximize their strengths.

Not exactly revolutionary. But when a HC with one background starts making demands of the other side of the field, I get nervous. For reference, see Rex Ryan's offense.

I rest my case.

[pbmax]

This is where I totally disagree with you. I think its MM and the "don't let them get a big play" attitude that is influencing Dom into playing so much 2-4.

I think it could be this or "must utilize all talent on roster to get maximum performance".

I guess we will see.

Like I said above, this isn't unusual. Belichick has had his hand in his offense since they switched out the old Parcells/Henning offense for their current one (unfortunately for my example, that occurred after their last Super Bowl). Let's just hope McCarthy is more Hoody or Cowher than Ryan or Lovie Smith.

[3irty1]

McCarthy is certainly not a decorated defensive technician like Dom but McCarthy is an excellent football philosopher and I definitely prefer him calling the shots at the "vision" level of the operation. You can't be a great offensive coach in the NFL without a deep understanding of defenses and you can't be a great headcoach without a a common strategy between the different phases of your team.

[Zool]

You guys just can't help yourselves, can you - you're like little Dom Capers apostles, lol...

What you're showing there is close to a standard 3-4, in that at least by definition you have 3 DL, and 4 LB's on the field.



Then you can't wait to get one of the fat guys off the field, and replace him with a DB - which gets you right back to your, and Dom's, beloved 2-4!!!

Haven't you guys seen enough of that sieve of a defense?? Seriously, how many times do you need to see a team line up in 3rd and 6, and simply run it down our throats for a 1st down?? Or when Dom comes out in that idiotic alignment on 1st and 10 and gives up an easy 7 yd run?? I know I'm sick to death of watching that mess... you guys really are masochistic.

Pure and simple - Dom has not been putting alignments on the field that play to the strengths of the front seven personnel TT has drafted. The result has been a disgustingly futile defense for 3 years running - setting a league record in '11 for futility.

To maximize the talent available, Dom needs to go to more 3-4 base fronts with Pickett, Jolly, Wilson, and Boyd on the line; and then the first nickel subpackage should be a 3-3 that mixes and matches D. Jones, Raji, Neal, Worthy, Daniels, Mulumba, Matthews, Jolly, Perry, and Hawk.

Now of course Raji and Neal are going to be gone next year; Wilson and Jolly likely won't be back; Brad Jones was a wasted contract; Hawk is as pedestrian as ever; Perry is miscast, and it isn't likely that he will ever be used properly - he'll play out his rookie contract and run screaming for freedom as soon as he can... in short, our front seven is as big a mess as it ever was.

The Packers as an organization - TT, MM, Capers, the defensive staff, and the scouts, have made a monumental mess of the front seven (six by their reckoning).

With all of the departures, and with Capers remaining in the drivers seat - I see next year as being a complete mess. Maybe MM will exert some influence on Capers and force him to play more straight up 3-4, but his first subpackage is still going to be the 2-4.

Bellichick said in an article that he ran a ton of 2-4 nickle these last few years. Maybe he's as dumb as Capers? Maybe his D was the only one worse in 2011 than the Packers at stopping the pass (hint, they were worse than the Packers). Bellichick needs to go!

[Fritz]

"I see next year as being a complete mess."

Wist, you see every year as being a complete mess.

[Cheesehead Craig]

"I see next year as being a complete mess."

Wist, you see every year as being a complete mess.

I think he was referring to the country overall. I get his state of America posts confused with his state of the Packers Defense posts. Keep it in FYI wist!

[pbmax]

We weren’t as multiple as we were in prior years, really because of the stress of the injuries on that unit.

Could also be much ado about nothing (quote from same interview).

http://packerstalk.com/2014/02/12/actual-changes-on-the-packers-defense-or-just-coachspeak/

[wist43]

Bellichick said in an article that he ran a ton of 2-4 nickle these last few years. Maybe he's as dumb as Capers? Maybe his D was the only one worse in 2011 than the Packers at stopping the pass (hint, they were worse than the Packers). Bellichick needs to go!

Get your facts right before you try poking me in the eye... the Packers in 2011 set an NFL record for pass defense futility - 299.8 yds/gm. New England was almost as abysmal at 293.9 yds/gm.

The league average was 229.7 yds/gm.

That said, what New England does, or doesn't do, is none of my concern. I don't like their team, their organization, or Belichick.

Someone on this board actually did some leg work and provided statistical proof that Capers plays more 2-4 than any other team in the league. Am I letting the cat out of the bag by saying that our defense has sucked - seriously sucked - the past few years?? Is this news to you??

[wist43]

This is where I totally disagree with you. I think its MM and the "don't let them get a big play" attitude that is influencing Dom into playing so much 2-4.

We were 24th against the pass, 25th against the run, and 25th overall - I suppose it could have been worse, no??

I guess if the philosophy is, "prevent the big play", then letting them run for 8 yds on 3rd and 6 is safer than having them drop back attempting to pass

This defense has 6 1st round draft picks in the front seven - Perry, Hawk, Matthews, Raji, Jones, and Pickett (Rams); it has 2 2nd round picks - Neal and Worthy; and a decent 4th rounder in Daniels.

That's a lot of investment in personnel to be producing some of the worst numbers in the league.

If Capers isn't to blame, and TT isn't to blame, and MM isn't to blame - then who is to blame?? If none of those guys is to blame, the only other possible answer is Barack Obama - now if you want to blame him?? I will accept that answer.

[call_me_ishmael]

I don't like their team, their organization, or Belichick.

You don't like the best organization (by far) and the best coach in NFL history? Keanu whoa.

[mraynrand]

If Capers isn't to blame, and TT isn't to blame, and MM isn't to blame - then who is to blame??

Apollo is the god of medicine. I blame him.

Sunbeams will be shooting out your ass next season, APRH

[3irty1]

We were 24th against the pass, 25th against the run, and 25th overall - I suppose it could have been worse, no??

I guess if the philosophy is, "prevent the big play", then letting them run for 8 yds on 3rd and 6 is safer than having them drop back attempting to pass

This defense has 6 1st round draft picks in the front seven - Perry, Hawk, Matthews, Raji, Jones, and Pickett (Rams); it has 2 2nd round picks - Neal and Worthy; and a decent 4th rounder in Daniels.

That's a lot of investment in personnel to be producing some of the worst numbers in the league.

If Capers isn't to blame, and TT isn't to blame, and MM isn't to blame - then who is to blame?? If none of those guys is to blame, the only other possible answer is Barack Obama - now if you want to blame him?? I will accept that answer.

I think the issue is probably that they're all just a little bit to blame, but none of them so responsible that they warrant action other than crossing fingers that it doesn't happen again.

TT: There was clearly a combination of draft picks he could have found in 2010, 2011, and 2012 which would have yielded a probowler laden defense (and offense). Also he hired most of this list.

MM: As head coach is inherently responsible for teams failures and successes. As controller of the offense is at least partially responsible for any loss in which the offense didn't score touchdowns and 2-point conversions on every possession, thus leaving points on the field.

Capers: As def coordinator is partially at fault for every yard and point surrendered. Once again put a defense on the field that did not function independently of backup talent and player health--he should know better by now.

Aaron Rodgers: Feasted on precious salary cap then got injured while holding the ball too long. Partially responsible for many incomplete passes representing hundreds of potential points.

Barak Obama: As president shares blame in everything that happens within his sphere of influence. Failed to provide adaquate health care reform including preventative care for dozens of injured Packers. Did not wield power granted by NDAA to detain opposing teams and coaches without council or trial despite clear ties to terrorism (I was terrified most of the season)

[denverYooper]

[bobblehead]

McCarthy is certainly not a decorated defensive technician like Dom but McCarthy is an excellent football philosopher and I definitely prefer him calling the shots at the "vision" level of the operation. You can't be a great offensive coach in the NFL without a deep understanding of defenses and you can't be a great headcoach without a a common strategy between the different phases of your team.

It was said that Lombardi was such an offensive mind that he would destroy zone defenses. He thought it was so easy that D coordinators damn near would lie to him when running zone because he would get pissed. I guess my point is that I disagree with your statement at its core. Defensive coaches have the best philosophy on running a defense, not offensive coaches.

[bobblehead]

We were 24th against the pass, 25th against the run, and 25th overall - I suppose it could have been worse, no??

I guess if the philosophy is, "prevent the big play", then letting them run for 8 yds on 3rd and 6 is safer than having them drop back attempting to pass

This defense has 6 1st round draft picks in the front seven - Perry, Hawk, Matthews, Raji, Jones, and Pickett (Rams); it has 2 2nd round picks - Neal and Worthy; and a decent 4th rounder in Daniels.

That's a lot of investment in personnel to be producing some of the worst numbers in the league.

If Capers isn't to blame, and TT isn't to blame, and MM isn't to blame - then who is to blame?? If none of those guys is to blame, the only other possible answer is Barack Obama - now if you want to blame him?? I will accept that answer.

I will agree that probably Obama is to blame, but my point is that we aren't sure who on the packers is to blame. I lean towards MM because I have seen a common thread of lack of aggressiveness from one coordinator to the next with Doms first season or 2 being the only exceptions.