Kaepernick entering last year of his deal

[pbmax]

My thoughts exactly. He is not great. He doesn't read D's. He still uses the GPS on his wrist suggesting he can't master a gameplan during the week. The guy is ok, but paying him top 10 in the league would hamper the whiners.

Every QB uses that wrist thing. Some might use it because they don't know the play call, but most do it to save time on the mic. Its only on for a limited time, after the ball is spotted and it shuts off at 15 seconds on the play clock I believe.

He might struggle with reads or the game plan, but the wrist thing doesn't suggest it.

EDIT: Rodgers appears not to nor does Peyton Manning. but Brady does.

[bobblehead]

Every QB uses that wrist thing. Some might use it because they don't know the play call, but most do it to save time on the mic. Its only on for a limited time, after the ball is spotted and it shuts off at 15 seconds on the play clock I believe.

He might struggle with reads or the game plan, but the wrist thing doesn't suggest it.

EDIT: Rodgers appears not to nor does Peyton Manning. but Brady does.

Most of the good QB's don't wear it. Brady might, and it might be because they switched OC's again, or it could be because they can't cheat anymore. I think Phillip Rivers does at times also. I know I have seen different QB's use it and not depending, but Kap uses it every play. He is constantly flipping through pages on it. Couple the fact that he in fact does make boneheaded throws and I think evidence supports him not being the sharpest QB around.

[pbmax]

OK, now I am curious. Who wears the play call game plan wrist thing?

Does:
Brady
Wilson (2012)
Palmer (seems to have one in some photos of Cardinals games, others not clear)
McGloin
Ponder (some photos not all)
Romo


Does Not:
Manning
Manning
Rodgers
Ryan
Stafford
Wilson (2013)
Cutler
McCown
Cassell
Ponder (some photos)
Foles
Vick
Griffin
Newton
Brees
Glennon


Not gonna lie. Thought there were more than that. But I'll hang my hat on Brady indicating it could have nothing to do with grasp of offense.

[mraynrand]

Kap may not be all that bright. Who knows. I was about to compare him to a former Packer QB at the same time in his career but....

Hey, has anyone tried those new glazed doughnuts? They are awesome.

[bobblehead]

OK, now I am curious. Who wears the play call game plan wrist thing?

Does:
Brady
Wilson (2012)
Palmer (seems to have one in some photos of Cardinals games, others not clear)
McGloin
Ponder (some photos not all)
Romo


Does Not:
Manning
Manning
Rodgers
Ryan
Stafford
Wilson (2013)
Cutler
McCown
Cassell
Ponder (some photos)
Foles
Vick
Griffin
Newton
Brees
Glennon


Not gonna lie. Thought there were more than that. But I'll hang my hat on Brady indicating it could have nothing to do with grasp of offense.

Now, objectively observe your list. Brady is the outlier. Wilson wore it as a rook, then ditched it suggesting that command of the system plays a role. Romo, Ponder, McGloin. 2 "not bright" QB's and a rookie forced into action. Palmer switches teams and coordinators every year, so it could be him, could be situation.

I will also concede that at times I have seen QB's wear it who normally don't (Ryan comes to mind), but again, that would suggest something they haven't become comfortable with in the offense that week. Kap has had multiple seasons under Harbaugh to learn not to throw certain passes and command the offense. He still forces the ball and wears a GPS. I believe he is very overrated and it will show more and more each season. I hope SF signs him to a huge deal the upsets the market for QB's.

[pbmax]

Now, objectively observe your list. Brady is the outlier. Wilson wore it as a rook, then ditched it suggesting that command of the system plays a role. Romo, Ponder, McGloin. 2 "not bright" QB's and a rookie forced into action. Palmer switches teams and coordinators every year, so it could be him, could be situation.

I will also concede that at times I have seen QB's wear it who normally don't (Ryan comes to mind), but again, that would suggest something they haven't become comfortable with in the offense that week. Kap has had multiple seasons under Harbaugh to learn not to throw certain passes and command the offense. He still forces the ball and wears a GPS. I believe he is very overrated and it will show more and more each season. I hope SF signs him to a huge deal the upsets the market for QB's.

No doubt its not common if my list is representative of normal operations. I swear I have seen both Mannings (especially Eli) with it, but I could be mistaken or it simply could be from an earlier time and they could have ditched it. Its also possible its more common on the road, to help overcome volume issues.

But to your point, not being able to read a defense has nothing to do with the wrist band. Vick doesn't wear one and he doesn't read defenses. Nor does Stafford.

With Kapernick there could be a couple of explanations. One is his time as a starter. He has started for 1.5 years. By the list, younger players tend to wear it. This would support your read.

But the other is offensive design. Kapernick is running a packaged offense with pre-snap reads. He is the one directing traffic on formation switches and he might be getting a late signal about what coaches see on the field. They may prefer the faster communication of numbered plays. The 49ers don't run a hurry up offense per se, but they do line up at the LOS a lot. They might be using the numbers as an aide like Kelly has Vick/Foles reading the sign on the sideline for the play/formation to allow faster communications. If I could find definitive pictures for Alex Smith as the 49er QB, it might help.

[Patler]

Kap may not be all that bright. Who knows.

Kaepernick outscored Rodgers on the Wonderlic, 37-35.

[mraynrand]

Kaepernick outscored Rodgers on the Wonderlic, 37-35.

Glazed Doughnut outscored Kap 38-37.

Seriously though, what I was getting at is that he's only played a year and a half and it still may not be clicking fully for the guy yet. (I don't think there's more than a pretty low baseline level of intelligence required for this; a lot of it just requires experience, so Kap is certainly Kapable). Think 'football bright.' It's scary to think what will happen when he starts reading defenses really well and if he also improves his accuracy.

edit: I am just assuming he isn't reading defenses as well as possible due to his short time in the game. I could hold out hope that he has already maxed out, but I doubt it.

[Guiness]

Kaepernick outscored Rodgers on the Wonderlic, 37-35.

Just the facts, Jack.

Unfortunately I don't have access to the 'Patlerized' stamp

[QBME]

If I could find definitive pictures for Alex Smith as the 49er QB, it might help.

[mraynrand]

Just the facts, Jack.

Unfortunately I don't have access to the 'Patlerized' stamp

You have to be selective with that - only when someone gets spiked for being totally wrong. Plus, I was talking about experience. Wonderlic doesn't really measure that.

And BTW, the stamp is gone forever.

[Guiness]

You have to be selective with that - only when someone gets spiked for being totally wrong. Plus, I was talking about experience. Wonderlic doesn't really measure that.

And BTW, the stamp is gone forever.

It was being insinuated pretty heavily by a few in this thread that Kap was not bright and Patler came back with a zinger!

[mraynrand]

It was being insinuated pretty heavily by a few in this thread that Kap was not bright and Patler came back with a zinger!

I looked - only Bobble suggested he couldn't master the game plan. runPMC said "not saying he's dumb."
I was going to compare him favorably to the QB who may not be named, saying that Kap is well ahead of where the former Packer QB was at the same time in his career. But that's not really a fair comparison, because BF is clearly not that smart. Still my point was that bright or not, he probably needs more experience to get better, but I will still hope he has maxed out!

[Guiness]

I looked - only Bobble suggested he couldn't master the game plan. runPMC said "not saying he's dumb."
I was going to compare him favorably to the QB who may not be named, saying that Kap is well ahead of where the former Packer QB was at the same time in his career. But that's not really a fair comparison, because BF is clearly not that smart. Still my point was that bright or not, he probably needs more experience to get better, but I will still hope he has maxed out!

Add in your comment, which you tried to couch with a 'who knows' and that's 3 times on this page. That's enough for me to say 'a few'.

And no, the Patlerized stamp is not gone - although you seemed to have been the keeper of it, it does live on in google images, albeit with an ugly ass link. Here it is with a new life



btw mentioning Favre without saying his name, then later using his initials is yes, tiresome. There are a lot of other QBs who've passed through the league that are more apt comparisons to Kap, Cunningham at the beginning of his career comes to mind.

[mraynrand]

btw mentioning Favre without saying his name, then later using his initials is yes, tiresome.

tough shit, deal with it.


But anyway, BF struggled to learn the system and control his wild ways. Kap seems to understand the game much better, has reigned in any crazy instincts, but struggles with accuracy. I still say who knows about how bright he is - the wonderlic only tells you so much, but it's not really critical to this issue, since I'm only interested in football smarts, and he seems way too capable for me as a Packer fan. Though as a general football fan, I have to say I love watching him play; those last two games against SF were among the top 10 most entertaining - for me - of the year.