Kaepernick entering last year of his deal

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fine i'll play your fucking game

the numbers next to the names are not for rankings, they are there to keep track of how many names i've listed

1. a-rod
2. peyton
3. brady
4. brees
5. rivers
6. foles
7. wilson
8. roethlisberger
9. romo
10.ryan
11. stafford

guys who i would say are in the same class as kap and i might take before or after him. again in no order

1. cam
2. luck
3. eli
4. alex smith
5. flacco
6. rg3
7. dalton
8. bradford
9. cutler
10. mike glennon

i'm sure i'm missing some people. the first group i would take all of them before kap, he would fall somewhere in that second group for me

[Brandon494]

Fucking fair enough but you could say the guys in the first group could all win in Green Bay so thats not really saying much.

Anyway I don't know how we got off the subject of Luck being better than Kaepernick. I asked you what made Luck better and you go on to list Kaepernick's faults even though Luck has the same faults. Yet somehow Luck gets passed in the media as a future star in this league because of the media hype. Now I think both will be good in this league just find it funny how some think Kaep is overrated yet they think Luck is the next star QB even though they put up similar numbers.

[Rastak]

Profootball Focus
2013

5th best - Rodgers
12th best - Luck
18th best - Kap

For your guys laugh -

Ponder was 35. Youch. He looked it.

[Brandon494]

Profootball Focus
2013

5th best - Rodgers
12th best - Luck
18th best - Kap

For your guys laugh -

Ponder was 35. Youch. He looked it.

Link?

Based on what? Rodgers missed half the season.

[Rastak]

Link?

Based on what? Rodgers missed half the season.

www.profootballfocus.com - you gotta plunk down the dough.

You seriously never heard of PFF? I know damn well Rodgers missed half the year, he graded out 5th.

Rodgers snaps 592
Luck 1068
Kap 999

[Brandon494]

www.profootballfocus.com - you gotta plunk down the dough.

You seriously never heard of PFF? I know damn well Rodgers missed half the year, he graded out 5th.

Rodgers snaps 592
Luck 1068
Kap 999

I know the site, where do you see those rankings?

[Rastak]

I know the site, where do you see those rankings?

I have a subscription - I sorted by QB and then by overall. Not sure if this is cool - kill it Mad if it isn't - super hard to read but a guy could toss it into a spreadsheet.




Ratings
# Name Team Snaps Overall Pass Run Penalty # of Pen Drop backs Runs Att. Comp Comp % TA HT BP SP Yds Yds / Att. TD In Sk DP NFL Rating
1 Peyton Manning DEN 1181 43.3 44.3 -2.8 1.8 3-0 677 0 659 450 68.3 12 0 6 1 5477 8.3 55 10 18 43 115.1
2 Drew Brees NO 1138 26.5 28.8 0.3 -2.6 11-0 699 12 650 446 68.6 25 6 6 1 5162 7.9 39 12 37 25 104.7
3 Philip Rivers SD 1128 25.5 28.6 -1.6 -1.5 7-1 590 16 544 378 69.5 14 6 12 1 4478 8.2 32 11 30 24 105.5
4 Russell Wilson SEA 1006 23.1 13.1 10.8 -0.8 10-0 502 51 407 257 63.1 21 1 6 2 3357 8.2 26 9 44 14 101.2
5 Aaron Rodgers GB 592 16.7 13.0 2.6 1.1 1-0 328 17 290 193 66.6 22 0 6 1 2536 8.7 17 6 21 14 104.9
6 Josh McCown CHI 427 16.6 14.3 1.7 0.6 2-1 243 8 224 149 66.5 9 3 5 0 1829 8.2 13 1 11 12 109.0
7 Ryan Tannehill MIA 1035 16.4 15.2 -0.4 1.6 2-0 661 14 588 355 60.4 25 3 8 4 3913 6.7 24 17 59 33 81.7
8 Tom Brady NE 1218 16.3 16.6 -2.0 1.7 2-0 671 4 628 380 60.5 13 9 4 4 4343 6.9 25 11 40 53 87.3
9 Matthew Stafford DET 1156 15.3 17.7 -1.9 -0.5 6-0 668 11 634 371 58.5 17 2 17 3 4647 7.3 29 19 23 58 84.1
10 Jay Cutler CHI 643 13.5 10.0 2.8 0.7 4-0 387 13 355 224 63.1 10 4 6 4 2621 7.4 19 12 19 21 89.2
11 Ben Roethlisberger PIT 1067 12.1 11.6 -0.7 1.2 3-0 639 13 584 375 64.2 14 4 10 6 4276 7.3 28 14 42 36 92.1
12 Andrew Luck IND 1068 11.1 -1.0 9.4 2.7 0-0 645 43 570 343 60.2 15 8 13 0 3822 6.7 23 9 32 34 87.0
13 Tony Romo DAL 944 11.0 13.2 -2.9 0.7 4-0 578 8 535 342 63.9 16 0 6 1 3844 7.2 31 10 35 32 96.8
14 Matt Ryan ATL 1088 10.0 8.2 0.2 1.6 2-0 703 8 651 439 67.4 18 7 14 1 4515 6.9 26 17 44 40 89.6
15 Cam Newton CAR 1025 8.1 -6.1 12.6 1.6 1-0 555 40 473 292 61.7 18 9 8 3 3379 7.1 24 13 43 23 88.8
16 Nick Foles PHI 715 5.4 5.6 0.6 -0.8 4-0 361 16 317 203 64.0 19 5 2 0 2891 9.1 27 2 28 13 119.2
17 Andy Dalton CIN 1140 4.8 2.5 1.7 0.6 3-0 640 25 586 363 61.9 21 3 14 1 4294 7.3 33 20 29 35 88.8
18 Colin Kaepernick SF 999 2.7 -0.4 4.3 -1.2 8-1 504 47 416 243 58.4 14 1 13 0 3197 7.7 21 8 39 26 91.6
19 Carson Palmer ARZ 1105 2.5 2.3 -0.2 0.4 5-1 618 5 572 362 63.3 14 8 10 1 4274 7.5 24 22 41 20 83.9
20 Sam Bradford SL 463 0.5 1.5 -2.2 1.2 0-0 284 7 262 159 60.7 11 2 8 0 1689 6.4 14 4 15 21 91.0
21 Ryan Fitzpatrick TEN 687 0.4 -2.6 2.3 0.7 2-0 399 29 351 217 61.8 12 4 3 3 2462 7.0 14 12 20 26 81.9
22 Jake Locker TEN 401 -0.1 0.3 -0.4 0.0 2-0 213 14 183 111 60.7 2 3 2 1 1256 6.9 8 4 16 13 86.7
23 Michael Vick PHI 335 -0.2 -4.3 4.8 -0.7 2-0 171 17 141 77 54.6 7 1 5 0 1216 8.6 5 3 13 8 86.5
24 Alex D. Smith KC 1006 -0.6 -6.0 4.8 0.6 6-0 593 46 508 308 60.6 18 3 11 4 3313 6.5 23 8 39 37 88.3
25 Kellen Clemens SL 565 -4.0 -2.4 -2.8 1.2 2-0 272 9 242 142 58.7 7 5 2 1 1673 6.9 8 7 21 14 78.8
26 Thaddeus Lewis BUF 361 -4.6 -2.4 -3.2 1.0 0-0 184 9 157 93 59.2 3 1 2 0 1092 7.0 4 3 18 9 81.0
27 Matt Cassel MIN 467 -5.2 -6.7 0.4 1.1 0-0 281 11 254 153 60.2 7 2 12 0 1807 7.1 11 9 16 13 81.6
28 Matt Flynn GB 331 -5.4 -3.4 -2.8 0.8 0-0 194 11 166 102 61.4 10 1 5 0 1146 6.9 7 4 17 10 86.1
29 Matthew McGloin OAK 389 -6.1 -5.0 -1.4 0.3 1-0 220 3 211 118 55.9 4 1 9 0 1547 7.3 8 8 6 13 76.1
30 Robert Griffin III WAS 924 -6.4 -8.7 2.6 -0.3 6-0 530 36 456 274 60.1 14 3 9 2 3203 7.0 16 12 38 36 82.2
31 Brandon Weeden CLV 473 -6.8 -5.6 -0.9 -0.3 5-0 301 7 267 141 52.8 16 5 3 1 1731 6.5 9 9 27 24 70.3
32 Eli Manning NYG 1002 -7.4 -4.0 0.6 -4.0 12-0 596 6 551 317 57.5 25 3 7 0 3818 6.9 18 27 39 30 69.4
33 Case Keenum HST 469 -7.6 -8.5 0.8 0.1 2-0 277 5 253 137 54.2 13 3 6 3 1760 7.0 9 6 19 17 78.2
34 Mike Glennon TB 864 -8.2 -6.1 -0.8 -1.3 7-1 468 12 416 247 59.4 19 8 7 0 2608 6.3 19 9 40 21 83.9
35 Christian Ponder MIN 520 -10.8 -13.8 1.7 1.3 1-0 291 25 239 152 63.6 11 3 2 0 1648 6.9 7 9 27 10 77.9
35 Jason Campbell CLV 521 -10.8 -13.6 3.0 -0.2 4-0 346 13 317 180 56.8 19 4 5 1 2015 6.4 11 8 16 21 76.9
37 Joe Flacco BLT 1173 -13.2 -16.3 0.9 2.2 1-0 677 15 614 362 59.0 16 9 5 1 3912 6.4 19 22 48 33 73.1
38 Matt Schaub HST 624 -15.9 -16.4 0.4 0.1 2-0 383 4 358 219 61.2 19 2 7 0 2310 6.5 10 14 21 12 73.0
39 Terrelle Pryor OAK 611 -17.0 -24.4 8.5 -1.1 8-0 337 34 272 156 57.4 18 1 3 1 1798 6.6 7 11 31 14 69.1
40 E.J. Manuel BUF 706 -19.8 -19.4 -1.3 0.9 2-0 358 24 306 180 58.8 5 6 3 1 1972 6.4 11 9 28 19 77.7
41 Geno Smith NYJ 1007 -20.2 -23.9 4.4 -0.7 7-1 517 31 443 247 55.8 26 2 9 1 3036 6.9 12 21 43 26 66.4
42 Chad Henne JAX 921 -21.0 -20.2 -2.2 1.4 7-0 551 11 503 305 60.6 16 5 20 1 3241 6.4 13 14 37 30 76.5

[HarveyWallbangers]

My Top 10 QBs (no order)

Aaron Rodgers
Peyton Manning
Drew Brees
Tom Brady
Ben Roethlisberger
Tony Romo
Russell Wilson
Colin Kaepernick
Andrew Luck
Cam Newton

[Brandon494]

My Top 10 QBs (no order)

Aaron Rodgers
Peyton Manning
Drew Brees
Tom Brady
Ben Roethlisberger
Tony Romo
Russell Wilson
Colin Kaepernick
Andrew Luck
Cam Newton

I like that list but I would have to put Matt Ryan in there somewhere.

[Cheesehead Craig]

I like that list but I would have to put Matt Ryan in there somewhere.

I just can't like the guy. He can put up some numbers but he's inconsistent. Guess I just hate the whole "Matty Ice" nickname when it really doesn't apply.

[pbmax]

Fucking fair enough but you could say the guys in the first group could all win in Green Bay so thats not really saying much.

Anyway I don't know how we got off the subject of Luck being better than Kaepernick. I asked you what made Luck better and you go on to list Kaepernick's faults even though Luck has the same faults. Yet somehow Luck gets passed in the media as a future star in this league because of the media hype. Now I think both will be good in this league just find it funny how some think Kaep is overrated yet they think Luck is the next star QB even though they put up similar numbers.

Publicly, I think they are two sides of the same coin. Luck has had more initial publicity, but Kaepernick has played in more meaningful games. Luck has been almost self-destructive in the playoffs. Luck is still trying to fulfill destiny, sort of like LeBron before a title. But CK has gotten closer twice.

[Striker]

I'd give Luck a leg up on both Wilson and Kaepernick simply because Luck has to do a lot more for his team than either of them do.

Plus, he's more of a "pure" pocket passer than either of them, and players that can do that tend to have better longevity.

[RashanGary]

My favorite quality in Kaepernick is his tenacious competive spirit. He has an edge and I think he sets a tone. You want that. I think that, along with his arm talent and movement make him on pace to be one of the better QBs in the league. The thing he doesn't seem to have, that Wilson and Rodgers do is full command of the game. Romo is a good example of a guy who gets lost at times, like the game is just a touch too big for him. Kap isn't that bad, and should get a little better, but for some guys it's natural. They're always a step ahead. Map doesn't seem to be that guy. I think it limits him from being the best or even with the best. Wilson has, "it." Luck seems to have more of "it." I'll have to see a little more luck, but my hunch is, he'll be the better QB.

[Brandon494]

I'd give Luck a leg up on both Wilson and Kaepernick simply because Luck has to do a lot more for his team than either of them do.

Plus, he's more of a "pure" pocket passer than either of them, and players that can do that tend to have better longevity.

You might like him more but hes not the better QB. He might look like the "pure" QB but numbers don't lie. You knock Wilson and Kaep for being on good teams yet don't say anything about Luck throwing 7 INTs in the postseason last year. Wilson won the SB and Kaep led his team to the SB but Luck is the better QB because hes on a shitter team even though Wilson and Kaep put up better numbers?

[HarveyWallbangers]

Saying Luck is as good or better or has more potential than Kaepernick and/or Wilson isn't that head scratching. It's a matter of opinion. Based on how they've played I'd go Wilson, Kaep, Luck (it's close though). Based on potential I'd go Luck, Kaep, Wilson (it's close though). Kaep has the most to work with. Very good OL, solid receivers, good running game, great defense. Wilson has had fewer weapons, but that defense allows him to play more controlled. Luck's OL is weak, he has fewer weapons, and their defense isn't very good. He has to carry that team. Plus, the dude seems to have an unbelievable knack for making plays late--even after struggling earlier in the game. He reminds me of Favre in that aspect. I suspect you could ask NFL personnel to rank these three and you'd get every possible order. There's no clear cut better player/prospect in this group.

You can talk about their teams doing this or that, but ESPN just put out their roster rankings. They have Seattle with the most talented roster in the NFL. San Francisco was second. Indianapolis wasn't in the top 10. Luck leading that roster to 11-5 is probably as impressive as Kaep leading San Fran to 12-4 and Wilson leading Seattle to 13-3 and the Super Bowl.