Ray Rice

[George Cumby]

How anyone in this day and age thinks they can cover something up is beyond me. How the prosecutor had the video and didnt charge Rice is also beyond me.

[Harlan Huckleby]

The NFL is now checking to see if the AP story about receiving the video is correct. Priceless.

I think Goodell is screwed.

[Harlan Huckleby]

NFL has announced that Robert Mueller, former FBI Director, will be conducting an investigation. I think this probably means Goodell really hadn't seen the video. He wouldn't be hiring an FBI Director if he had. Still, Goodell isn't going to come out of this looking very good. I think he will survive though.

I agree with all but your last sentence.

[Rastak]

from the other thread:



In partial answer to Rastak's questions earlier about whether the Casino could turn over the tape to the NFL: http://deadspin.com/goodell-was-wron...ium=socialflow

I was referencing the cops turning over evidence to an employer, not the casino. Think about it, you get arrested and your employer orders up all the evidence from the cops with a phone call....and they actually send it to a private employer, really? Now if your employer goes and asks the casino, kind of a different thing.

In any event, this looks bad for the NFL and the police. Can I request evidence when I want? Who can ring up the cops and ask if they would kindly forward the evidence of a criminal investigation?

I'm not sure what the NFL's angle was here. Ole Roger is a law and order guy, why would he ignore it? If underlings hid it, why?

This is getting more interesting by the minute. The NFL's actions make no plausible sense.

PB, you got a theory?

[Rastak]

How anyone in this day and age thinks they can cover something up is beyond me. How the prosecutor had the video and didnt charge Rice is also beyond me.

He explained that. He said guidelines were either probation or diversionary program and he felt the program made more sense. Our justice system needs a slight overhaul.

[Harlan Huckleby]

He explained that. He said guidelines were either probation or diversionary program and he felt the program made more sense. Our justice system needs a slight overhaul.

I'm not sure this is a failure of the justice system. Just throwing people in jail isn't much of a solution for something like this, and the jails are full. It's not like more public shaming was needed. I'd say a rehabilitation program probably makes sense, especially if it is first offense.

The NFL obviously screwed up.

[Rastak]

From:

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2014/09/pressure_mounting_on_nfl_big_over_ray_rice_video

"The law enforcement 
official told the AP on condition of anonymity he had no further communication with any NFL employee and can’t confirm anyone watched the video. He said he was not 
authorized to release the video but wanted the NFL to have it while mulling Rice’s punishment."


That's wonderful. I know I sounds like I'm defending Ray Rice but I'm not. This police thing just blows me away first and foremost. An NFL coverup is a very close second.

[Guiness]

Via Deadspin a quote from the AP story:



That is pretty dead to rights. However, there is even more terrible news on the horizon. If the NFL HAD the tape, then either someone caught wind that they weren't supposed to have it (and buried it, never mentioned again) OR the NFL took steps to make sure it never got out.

http://thebiglead.com/2014/09/10/espn-legal-analyst-nfl-security-has-been-digging-up-information-and-hiding-it-for-years/

Lester Munson claims the NFL Security guys have been cleaning up this stuff for years, leading me to wonder of one of them is called "The Wolf".

"The Weasel" or "The Garbage Man" works too.

[wist43]

What's more disgusting to me than what Rice did, is the "... Sister Bertha Betterthanyou" reaction of Amerika, i.e. sinless, sanctimonious ninnies who inflate their self-worth by spouting politically correct platitudes and cruxifying others.

The reaction is out of proportion, the punishment and ridiculous non-stop public shaming, and the lifelong sentence are out of proportion. Not only has Ray Rice been given a life sentence, his wife and family have been harmed by you monsters far more than any harm that came from the original offense.

You have cut off his livliehood, you have cut off his funds - that does lifelong harm to his family. Their child, and the children they may have that haven't even been born yet are going to suffer - not b/c of the incident that their parents had, but b/c of the scarlett letter of shame that you politically correct bullies see nothing wrong with marking someone with for life.

Ray Rice is a kid... what is he?? 27 yrs old?? He fucked up, his fiance fucked up - by all accounts it was a 1-time incident - leave them alone to work it out and get their shit together!!!

What's even more of a shame - is that we now live in an Orwellian surveillance society, in which everyone is under 24/7 surveillance. GM recently announced that they were putting cameras in their cars - the cops can already turn on your Onstar and listen to your conversation, now they will be able to simply tune into the car-cam... it's disturbing and sick. Much more disturbing and sick than anything Ray Rice did!!

Amerika is seriously fucked up.

[QBME]

It seems to me that the NFL's real predicament does not lie in whether or not anybody saw the video. They knew exactly what happened, as it is in the complaint/summons issued by the DA back in February. It states clearly that Rice struck her with his hand, rendering her unconscious. Not quite as vicious a description as a sucker punch left hook, but still. The problem is the NFL decided that a knock out punch of a woman deserves a 2 game suspension - they thought 2 games is a very penal action in the high and mighty NFL. They totally underestimated the public opinion back lash when the video came out, and now have to squirm their way out of it.

Who knows what logic they used to come to that conclusion. Perhaps they monitored various boards and forums such as this one to gauge reaction and establish severity. Look at the initial posts in this thread, not much hue and cry going on. And besides, they are the high and mighty NFL that sponsors the "Pink Out" in the month October to support awareness of breast cancer, they love and respect women. Therein lies the real issue - how to justify the 2 games when they absolutely knew what happened. When it is all said and done, the video is inconsequential. The video now becomes the perfect distraction from the base issue of the NFL's original underestimation of the public perception of domestic violence. The video lets them begin the witch hunt. Someone is going to take a fall and I doubt it's Roger.

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

What's more disgusting to me than what Rice did, is the "... Sister Bertha Betterthanyou" reaction of Amerika, i.e. sinless, sanctimonious ninnies who inflate their self-worth by spouting politically correct platitudes and cruxifying others.

The reaction is out of proportion, the punishment and ridiculous non-stop public shaming, and the lifelong sentence are out of proportion. Not only has Ray Rice been given a life sentence, his wife and family have been harmed by you monsters far more than any harm that came from the original offense.

You have cut off his livliehood, you have cut off his funds - that does lifelong harm to his family. Their child, and the children they may have that haven't even been born yet are going to suffer - not b/c of the incident that their parents had, but b/c of the scarlett letter of shame that you politically correct bullies see nothing wrong with marking someone with for life.

Ray Rice is a kid... what is he?? 27 yrs old?? He fucked up, his fiance fucked up - by all accounts it was a 1-time incident - leave them alone to work it out and get their shit together!!!

What's even more of a shame - is that we now live in an Orwellian surveillance society, in which everyone is under 24/7 surveillance. GM recently announced that they were putting cameras in their cars - the cops can already turn on your Onstar and listen to your conversation, now they will be able to simply tune into the car-cam... it's disturbing and sick. Much more disturbing and sick than anything Ray Rice did!!

Amerika is seriously fucked up.

I don't know. My opinion is the man did the crime, and now must do the time. Will the sensationalism and blood sucking press hurt him? Sure, but the same sensationalism and blood sucking press helped him get where is is/was today. But I am old and I fart a lot, what the hell do I know.

[pbmax]

From:

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2014/09/pressure_mounting_on_nfl_big_over_ray_rice_video

"The law enforcement 
official told the AP on condition of anonymity he had no further communication with any NFL employee and can’t confirm anyone watched the video. He said he was not 
authorized to release the video but wanted the NFL to have it while mulling Rice’s punishment."


That's wonderful. I know I sounds like I'm defending Ray Rice but I'm not. This police thing just blows me away first and foremost. An NFL coverup is a very close second.

That's why you hire ex-FBI guys to work your security. Even if its not kosher, they can get a look at things most people cannot. You should read that Big Lead piece describing Lester Munson talking to Dan LeBatard.

In answer to your previous question, police records are largely public and while you are not going to be able to get all the material of an ongoing investigation, like reporters, the NFL Security guys at least will be able to get a heads up about what is involved, even if they don't get the evidence handed to them in a bag. Your employer could eventually see it, just not as fast as NFL security.

http://thebiglead.com/2014/09/10/espn-legal-analyst-nfl-security-has-been-digging-up-information-and-hiding-it-for-years/

As for my theory, the best bet is that NFL Security had the tape, watched it and summarized it for Roger and Co. No one spoke about HAVING the tape, only being aware of the contents because its release wasn't authorized. They made a judgement it would not hurt Rice more and told the execs so. In this case, they were wrong.

[3irty1]

What's more disgusting to me than what Rice did, is the "... Sister Bertha Betterthanyou" reaction of Amerika, i.e. sinless, sanctimonious ninnies who inflate their self-worth by spouting politically correct platitudes and cruxifying others.

The reaction is out of proportion, the punishment and ridiculous non-stop public shaming, and the lifelong sentence are out of proportion. Not only has Ray Rice been given a life sentence, his wife and family have been harmed by you monsters far more than any harm that came from the original offense.

You have cut off his livliehood, you have cut off his funds - that does lifelong harm to his family. Their child, and the children they may have that haven't even been born yet are going to suffer - not b/c of the incident that their parents had, but b/c of the scarlett letter of shame that you politically correct bullies see nothing wrong with marking someone with for life.

Ray Rice is a kid... what is he?? 27 yrs old?? He fucked up, his fiance fucked up - by all accounts it was a 1-time incident - leave them alone to work it out and get their shit together!!!

What's even more of a shame - is that we now live in an Orwellian surveillance society, in which everyone is under 24/7 surveillance. GM recently announced that they were putting cameras in their cars - the cops can already turn on your Onstar and listen to your conversation, now they will be able to simply tune into the car-cam... it's disturbing and sick. Much more disturbing and sick than anything Ray Rice did!!

Amerika is seriously fucked up.

A lot of people agree with you about how self-righteousness is the worst but few have the stones to express it in a self-righteous rant. You sir are an artist.

[pbmax]

It seems to me that the NFL's real predicament does not lie in whether or not anybody saw the video. They knew exactly what happened, as it is in the complaint/summons issued by the DA back in February. It states clearly that Rice struck her with his hand, rendering her unconscious. Not quite as vicious a description as a sucker punch left hook, but still. The problem is the NFL decided that a knock out punch of a woman deserves a 2 game suspension - they thought 2 games is a very penal action in the high and mighty NFL. They totally underestimated the public opinion back lash when the video came out, and now have to squirm their way out of it.

Who knows what logic they used to come to that conclusion. Perhaps they monitored various boards and forums such as this one to gauge reaction and establish severity. Look at the initial posts in this thread, not much hue and cry going on. And besides, they are the high and mighty NFL that sponsors the "Pink Out" in the month October to support awareness of breast cancer, they love and respect women. Therein lies the real issue - how to justify the 2 games when they absolutely knew what happened. When it is all said and done, the video is inconsequential. The video now becomes the perfect distraction from the base issue of the NFL's original underestimation of the public perception of domestic violence. The video lets them begin the witch hunt. Someone is going to take a fall and I doubt it's Roger.

I think they were caught with their pants down because this has always worked in the past. 2 games is not unusual for this crime for the NFL.

This story covers the last few years of NFL and Law Enforcement response to domestic abuse by players: http://sidespin.kinja.com/roger-good...32385955/+chid

[QBME]

I think they were caught with their pants down because this has always worked in the past. 2 games is not unusual for this crime for the NFL.

This story covers the last few years of NFL and Law Enforcement response to domestic abuse by players: http://sidespin.kinja.com/roger-good...32385955/+chid

You seem to have distilled my discourse into a couple sentences.

Also an interesting point regarding the on-going occurences.