Ray Rice

[Harlan Huckleby]

Rice should just do and say everything Vick said to get reinstated replacing the word "dogs" with "women." If you can manipulate the media to get kicked out you can manipulate them to get back in.

I believe in 2nd and 3rd chances. I have no problem with Rice & Vick seeking redemption, I hope it is sincere.

Vick was a high profile QB with a lot of flash. Rice is a generic RB. Vick needed money, Rice is set. I don't see Rice coming back.

[George Cumby]

Protect the Shield!

[pbmax]

The part that bothers me most is the response to mob mentality. Nothing changed from the original suspension to his total ban, other than the video. They knew it was a case of domestic violence, the video didn't change that. But, public perception changed, so then the NFL changes a ruling they had already made.

Sooner or later team will conduct surveys to see who the fans want to be the starters. After all, it's better for the league to give the fans the players they want to see.

The mob is outside the offices though and they have defied it before: rules changes being the significant one.

From this side of the interent, it looks like the public railroaded the NFL. From inside it might look different. Biscotti (as someone mentioned) and Goodell have both been quoted that they thought it was a slap. If the investigation is actually thorough, maybe we get an answer to whether that is plausible or not.

In either event, basing your discipline on role that the handrail played in knocking out the woman was a bad idea without video. If they handing a standing committee for player discipline, with policies and procedures, they might learn from this.

[sharpe1027]

The Pro Bowl is not a good example because there's nothing at stake. A storyline has to be created - the league has to give the game meaning.

Does your employer have the right to conduct its own investigation of something you've been accused to doing outside of work?

Yes.

[3irty1]

Now Jonathan Dwyer is done for the year after head butting his wife and breaking her nose.

What has gotten into NFL running backs???

[Rastak]

Per PFT the Ravens knew all the details on Ray Rice right from the start. Word is they conducted an emergency damage control meeting tonight. More details to come. I should send them a thank you card for getting the media off my teams back as the sharks veer off to them so I can think about football this sunday.

[pbmax]

Yep. Ravens execs were briefed twice about the contents of the inside elevator video, including by Rice's criminal defense attorney. At nearly the same time, both the team and the League stopped trying to get the video.

Ultimately, on April 1, the Revel, under subpoena, provided Diamondstein with a copy, and he received the same copy from prosecutors on April 5. By phone, Diamondstein told Cass that the video was "f---ing horrible" and that it was clear "Ray knocked her the f--- out." The lawyer advised Cass that the video, if released, would amount to a public relations disaster for the Ravens and for his client.

Why did they stop?

In May, the company extended the naming rights and sponsorship agreement with the team for $60 million over 10 years. A source says the bank expressed concerns about the Rice matter to the Ravens after the first TMZ video had become public.

It's pretty damming. Its makes the Ravens look guilty of a cover up and the League/Goodell look like accessories or incompetent.

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/11551518/how-ray-rice-scandal-unfolded-baltimore-ravens-roger-goodell-nfl

[pbmax]

I think Czabe's assessments are nearly spot on (go read his post).

Rice admitted to hitting his girlfriend. His fiance acknowledged and sat up there confirming it. The league and police reviewed and provided their punishments.... but since there's a video - you suspend him indefinitely? Rice didn't lie about any of it. It now appears the NFL has, though.

At this juncture, Czaban's observation is both correct and has been explained.

The NFL had to overreact after it under reacted at the Raven's (and Rice and Wife's behest). The Ravens were worried about the M&T Bank sponsorship. They should have been more worried about possession of the tape and their cover up of their knowledge of it (they knew it wasn't only a slap gone horribly wrong).

If Goodell had any actual power, he would fine the team and suspend Raven's officials for covering up what they knew. He would fine his own NFL Security staff. And then he would reduce his salary or resign for getting so thoroughly played by amateurs. The Ravens got this over the League Office only because he hadn't seen the video.

The only question is whether Goodell participated or was just incompetent and happy to spout platitudes.

[Fritz]

Yes.

Wow. So essentially you're willing to give up any notion of personal freedom and privacy?

Orwell was clairvoyant.

[ThunderDan]

Wow. So essentially you're willing to give up any notion of personal freedom and privacy?

Orwell was clairvoyant.

I am a partner at our firm and we purposefully put a conduct code in our contracts. We want ourselves and our employees to represent our firm well in the community.

We wouldn't fire someone for most offenses but want to make sure we can if we have to.

Also, wisconsin is an at will employment state. We can fire anyone for any reason.

[Fritz]

I vehemently disagree with the way this country has gone in the direction of the loss of individual freedom, but I'm going to stop there.

I'd rather talk about what the hell is wrong with the Packer defense.

[Striker]

Ray Lewis on Ray Rice: “There are some things you can cover up…then there are some things you can’t”


Yep. He said that.

[pbmax]

Lying Liars Are Lying Again: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-commissioner/

“I’m in his corner,” Kraft tells Jim Corbett of USA Today. “I’ve worked with him for 20 years. He’s hard working, a man of good character and morals. And he’s a solid citizen. I really believe that. He really is a man of integrity. He really has had the best interest of the league [at heart]. And I’ve seen it first-hand. He felt he made a mistake. He corrected it before anything came out.

Didn't almost the EXACT opposite happen, or am I misreading this?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/08/nfl-suspends-ray-rice-indefinitely/

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/08/ravens-release-running-back-ray-rice-after-video-emerges/

[Cheesehead Craig]

Ray Rice has won his appeal and can now sign with any NFL team. Who's going to get him and for how much?

[mraynrand]

Protect Sam Shields!

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