James Jones Has No Contract Offer From Packers

[pbmax]

McGinn leads with agent saying Ted doesn't want him back, but the real keys might be a couple of paragraphs down where the agent admits teams are being much closer to vest at combine these days, a deep draft at WR and the presence of a lot of FA WRs.

Once before, Jones had to gauge the market before signing with Packers. Did he have an offer in hand back then?

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/packers-prepared-to-let-james-jones-leave-as-free-agent-b99210554z1-246732241.html

Also, see bonus admission of tampering, unlikely to be punished style.

[Teamcheez1]

Even if TT was going to make an offer, he would be discreet about it. Agents are always trying to drum up interest in their clients and generate a better contract.

I would like to keep Jones, but I would lose sleep about a lot of the other positions on this team before worrying about WR.

[woodbuck27]

This will be a telling off season to determine the mood of the Green Bay Packer locker room.

With both Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb being UFA's in 2015. I'll feel more comfortable with James Jones signed.

GO PACK GO !

[pittstang5]

Nelson, Cobb and Jones...

You can keep two, who do you pick?

I pick Nelson and Cobb. Nothing against Jones. He's been a great teammate and is the definition of "Packer People." I just think Nelson and Cobb have more to offer going forward. Cobb has the "Wow" factor and Nelson is just solid.

If you look at money allocated to a position, the Packers as well as most teams, can't afford to have three big contracts at the WR position. Most teams have one, big name WR. Packers have been very fortunate to have been able to draft and develop good to very good WRs since TT took over. Paying Jones now, IMO, decreases your chances of signing Cobb and Nelson.

[woodbuck27]

Nelson, Cobb and Jones...

You can keep two, who do you pick?

I pick Nelson and Cobb. Nothing against Jones. He's been a great teammate and is the definition of "Packer People." I just think Nelson and Cobb have more to offer going forward. Cobb has the "Wow" factor and Nelson is just solid.

If you look at money allocated to a position, the Packers as well as most teams, can't afford to have three big contracts at the WR position. Most teams have one, big name WR. Packers have been very fortunate to have been able to draft and develop good to very good WRs since TT took over. Paying Jones now, IMO, decreases your chances of signing Cobb and Nelson.

Put that way:

ditto.

[Brandon494]

Jones would get no where near the money Nelson or Cobb would receive but you are right the cap space is the reason. We can use that money else where on defense while Boykin takes over for Jones. I was for keeping Jones but actually letting him walk does make sense. I think we all trust TT will be able to draft a capable WR to replace him. I'm fine with either decision.

[pbmax]

Even if TT was going to make an offer, he would be discreet about it. Agents are always trying to drum up interest in their clients and generate a better contract.

I would like to keep Jones, but I would lose sleep about a lot of the other positions on this team before worrying about WR.

Well, somehow we know the Packers made offers to Jennings and Raji that they initially declined. So they do occasionally let the story get out.

[bobblehead]

Nelson, Cobb and Jones...

You can keep two, who do you pick?

I pick Nelson and Cobb. Nothing against Jones. He's been a great teammate and is the definition of "Packer People." I just think Nelson and Cobb have more to offer going forward. Cobb has the "Wow" factor and Nelson is just solid.

If you look at money allocated to a position, the Packers as well as most teams, can't afford to have three big contracts at the WR position. Most teams have one, big name WR. Packers have been very fortunate to have been able to draft and develop good to very good WRs since TT took over. Paying Jones now, IMO, decreases your chances of signing Cobb and Nelson.

You are assuming we can definitely lock up Cobb and Nelson. If you can sign JJ to a good deal you do it.

[red]

Nelson, Cobb and Jones...

You can keep two, who do you pick?

I pick Nelson and Cobb. Nothing against Jones. He's been a great teammate and is the definition of "Packer People." I just think Nelson and Cobb have more to offer going forward. Cobb has the "Wow" factor and Nelson is just solid.

If you look at money allocated to a position, the Packers as well as most teams, can't afford to have three big contracts at the WR position. Most teams have one, big name WR. Packers have been very fortunate to have been able to draft and develop good to very good WRs since TT took over. Paying Jones now, IMO, decreases your chances of signing Cobb and Nelson.

its not even close to being like that. jones is not going to get big time money no matter where he's at.

jones is probably going to get around 3 million a year again.

jordy and cobb could both be looking at 8-10 million a year

IMO, we can't give both jordy and cobb that kind of money. one has to walk.

sign jones to the 3 million a year. resign cobb or jordy, and trade the other one (you know, getting something in return for our talent instead of just comp picks). then draft one of the many talented rookies this year to get the depth back up

[mraynrand]

Red, you're right about jordy and Jones.

I don't think Cobb is gonna get huge payday though. start comparing him to other guys with his size and speed and productivity.

Start with Sproles - 4 years 12 mil, 6 guar
Welker, 2 years 12 mil, I think half was guaranteed and he's due a 3 mil roster bonus this year

Maybe look at some other receivers, but these guys bracket what Cobb Does. Welker has 80-120 receptions, sproles has 70 receptions, 40-50 rushes and some returns. Cobb probably won't get another 80 receptions next year, and will return less. So I see him getting 3-5 mil money; maybe a four year deal with 6-10 guar; absolute max.

[red]

yeah, but welker was on the wrong side of 30 when he signed his current deal

and sproles is technically a running back, even though he catches more then he rushes. running backs usually make less

plus, you can't forget that before cobbs injury, he had clearly become a-rods "go-to" guy

however, i also thought shields was worth around 8 per year and it looks like he might be had for 6, so maybe i'm just doing what i accuse TT of doing and over-valuing our own guys

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Cobb and Nelson are BOTH staying long term and I'd be willing to bet on that. No chance TT lets Cobb walk and if he was going to give Jennings 10 million/year in 2012 that means he would have had both Jennings AND Cobb eventually making big money (meaning he's fine paying two wrs big money). Replace Nelson for Jennings but at a probably cheaper rate.

As for Jones, I would be sad to see him go but not if its at the expense of Nelson or Cobb. But me personally I would try to keep all three with the cap we have and it only going up in the upcoming years.

[mraynrand]

yeah, but welker was on the wrong side of 30 when he signed his current deal

and sproles is technically a running back, even though he catches more then he rushes. running backs usually make less

plus, you can't forget that before cobbs injury, he had clearly become a-rods "go-to" guy

however, i also thought shields was worth around 8 per year and it looks like he might be had for 6, so maybe i'm just doing what i accuse TT of doing and over-valuing our own guys

4 years, 20-22 mil, 10 guar?

[red]

i don't know, i think it would be great for the team if cobb took that kind of deal

but i think cobb is going to be closer to the deals jennings and harvin did

jennings got 9 per year and harvin is just over 10.

i would put cobb in that class of receiver, especially if he can stay healthy this year and play a full season as a-rods #1 target

heres a list of the top paid 25 WR's for reference, i think cobb easily will fit into that group

http://www.spotrac.com/rankings/nfl/average/wide-receiver/limit-25/

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

While I agree with the comparison that Cobb fits into that mold of receiver, he doesn't have quite the same production those two had at the same point in their careers. Cobb played a very limited role as a receiver in 2011 and almost missed all of 2013. I think if they try to sign him before or during the season he will sign for closer to 6-7 mil/year than 9-10mil/year.