James Jones Has No Contract Offer From Packers

[mraynrand]

heres a list of the top paid 25 WR's for reference, i think cobb easily will fit into that group

http://www.spotrac.com/rankings/nfl/...iver/limit-25/

my first reaction to that list was: "WOW, a lot of those guys are overpaid!"

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While I agree with the comparison that Cobb fits into that mold of receiver, he doesn't have quite the same production those two had at the same point in their careers. Cobb played a very limited role as a receiver in 2011 and almost missed all of 2013. I think if they try to sign him before or during the season he will sign for closer to 6-7 mil/year than 9-10mil/year.

the one year cobb was completely healthy is almost exactly the same (stat wise) as what harvin did in the years he was actually healthy

harvins best year was 2011. he played all 16 games, had 87 catches for 967 yards and 6 td's

cobbs best year was 2012. he played all 16 games, had 80 catches for 954 yards and 8 td's

before cobb got hurt this year, he was on pace to shatter those career numbers. if he can stay healthy this season, he could go 1200+ and get into that same type of production jennings was doing before he left

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my first reaction to that list was: "WOW, a lot of those guys are overpaid!"

yup, then you see guys like #25- julio jones, who's going to shoot way up that list with a new deal pretty soon

wr's, even just slightly above average ones, are worth big bucks

and that list is average per year, not just this years cap number

[smuggler]

I hope we do make an offer to James, but if you have been paying attention to the combine, it's easy to understand why the Packers might consider letting him walk.

There are a lot of good receivers in this draft, actually a preposterous level of depth. I am hoping we draft two.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

2012 Minnesota Vikings 9 62 677 10.9 75.2 45 3 8 1 36 0 (Averaging 1200+)

2011 Minnesota Vikings 16 87 967 11.1 60.4 52T 6 14 2 45 2

2010 Minnesota Vikings 14 71 868 12.2 62.0 53T 5 14 2 41 0

2009 Minnesota Vikings 15 60 790 13.2 52.7 51T 6 12 3 42 1



2013 Green Bay Packers 6 31 433 14.0 72.2 48T 4 6 1 18 0

2012 Green Bay Packers 15 80 954 11.9 63.6 39T 8 17 0 45 0

2011 Green Bay Packers 15 25 375 15.0

You could very well be right red considering Cobb was buried down the depth chart in 2011 and his 2013 season was much like Harvins 2012. Either way it won't really matter in Cobb's case if you think about it. If he signs this offseason to say a 4 year 40 million extension, add his 2014 salary of less than 1 million than its really a 5year/40 million contact (8 per year). If he waits until after the season to sign a 4year/40 million contract its a 10 million/year deal but in reality over a five year period its still 8million/year (just depends of you want to pay more on this years cap or on later years).

Edit: I just think he might go for a 4year/35million extension NOW based off his stats and never making that much money in his life. In that case its basically a 5year/35million deal or about 7 million a year. Either deal is a good deal for the packers to make.

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i should also add that even though i think cobb is comparable to harvin, and he might be looking at money close to that, i think the harvin contract, and the trade for him, is one of the most asinine contracts in recent memories

[Guiness]

You are assuming we can definitely lock up Cobb and Nelson. If you can sign JJ to a good deal you do it.

Exactly - it reminds me of the Wahle Riviera year. So much debate about which the Pack would keep, and we all know how that turned out.

Unless they think they've got his replacement right now (probably Boykin) they should make an effort to retain him.

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Exactly - it reminds me of the Wahle Riviera year. So much debate about which the Pack would keep, and we all know how that turned out.

Unless they think they've got his replacement right now (probably Boykin) they should make an effort to retain him.

well, judging by the story that someone linked to, M3 was interviewed and said boykins can be a #3 or even a #2, and that he (m3) believes boykins has "it"

so it would look like the team is more then confortable going forward with boykins being a major part of the offense. so i would say there is a chance that one, two or maybe all three of jordy, cobb and jones could be allowed to walk

they proved last year with jennings and maybe this year with jones, that they have no problem with letting talented receivers walk

wr, is one thing that TT seems to be very good at finding. so there may be no reason to invest big money in the position when they seem to grow on trees for the team

[Rastak]

i should also add that even though i think cobb is comparable to harvin, and he might be looking at money close to that, i think the harvin contract, and the trade for him, is one of the most asinine contracts in recent memories

Harvin is a step above most NFL players...one of the top 2 or 3 playmakers.......he's also an unstable nut. His migraine issues although under control are no joke. I think it's affected him and understandably so.

[woodbuck27]

Harvin is a step above most NFL players...one of the top 2 or 3 playmakers.......he's also an unstable nut. His migraine issues although under control are no joke. I think it's affected him and understandably so.

[Pugger]

The last time Jones tested the FA market there weren't a lot of teams clamoring for his services and now he is older. Unless somebody offers him a ridiculous contract I suspect he might be back with us in 2014 and we'll still be able to sign Jordy and Cobb to long term deals.

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The last time Jones tested the FA market there weren't a lot of teams clamoring for his services and now he is older. Unless somebody offers him a ridiculous contract I suspect he might be back with us in 2014 and we'll still be able to sign Jordy and Cobb to long term deals.

one thing that james had going against him the last time he was a FA was the fact that he couldn't catch a ball to save his life back then.

he's obviously improved on that greatly. however he is older now, and with so many other younger free agents, and with the draft being so deep, he might have a hard time finding a team

i could see him returning for less then what he got last time, even though he's a much better player now

[bobblehead]

Nelson, Cobb and Jones...

You can keep two, who do you pick?

I pick Nelson and Cobb. Nothing against Jones. He's been a great teammate and is the definition of "Packer People." I just think Nelson and Cobb have more to offer going forward. Cobb has the "Wow" factor and Nelson is just solid.

If you look at money allocated to a position, the Packers as well as most teams, can't afford to have three big contracts at the WR position. Most teams have one, big name WR. Packers have been very fortunate to have been able to draft and develop good to very good WRs since TT took over. Paying Jones now, IMO, decreases your chances of signing Cobb and Nelson.

So you pick Cobb and Nelson. What if they don't pick you? What if we don't get a deal done during this season and Nelson gets offered funny money by some desperate to save his butt GM? You have already let JJ walk, now you lost Jordy and Cobb suddenly realizes his bargaining position. Nice job future GM. How about if we can lock up JJ for a good deal we do it.

[mraynrand]

So you pick Cobb and Nelson. What if they don't pick you? What if we don't get a deal done during this season and Nelson gets offered funny money by some desperate to save his butt GM? You have already let JJ walk, now you lost Jordy and Cobb suddenly realizes his bargaining position. Nice job future GM. How about if we can lock up JJ for a good deal we do it.

it all depends on the price, intentions in the draft, and their estimation of the guys they have on the roster. There's four guys at the bottom of the depth chart - due to injury - that they are considering for those open slots as well. If Jones is too much, even by a little, I expect him to be gone. Packers probably want him back, but at a bargain. And if they don't get him, they have the draft. Also, Jones just isn't good enough to take up this much bandwidth.

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should it be brought up that throughout his career jones has usually been going up against the other teams 3rd or 4th best cb?