James Jones Has No Contract Offer From Packers

[MadtownPacker]

If I'm gonna say finley should go cuz he can't catch I have to say try to keep JJ because actually does make catches and some tough ones at that. JJ has had his big games and been there when he was needed. About what you want for a 2 or 3 right? Based on his last contract bid maybe he will accept a respectful offer.

[MadtownPacker]

should it be brought up that throughout his career jones has usually been going up against the other teams 3rd or 4th best cb?

Is it held against the better posters here because they only have to school your sorry ass?

[pittstang5]

So you pick Cobb and Nelson. What if they don't pick you? What if we don't get a deal done during this season and Nelson gets offered funny money by some desperate to save his butt GM? You have already let JJ walk, now you lost Jordy and Cobb suddenly realizes his bargaining position. Nice job future GM. How about if we can lock up JJ for a good deal we do it.

My fear is that if you pay Jones now, you have other positions/players that that money could be going towards - plus, money needed to pay Cobb and Nelson. You bring up a good point and yes, we could lose both Nelson and Cobb. Anything is possible.

My feeling is that Jones may bring more than 3 -4 mil. per year. If you can sign Jones cheaply, I'm all for that, but I don't want to sacrifice losing Cobb or Nelson if you pay to keep Jones. Nothing against Jones, but I think he is easier to replace compared to Cobb or Nelson.

[3irty1]

the one year cobb was completely healthy is almost exactly the same (stat wise) as what harvin did in the years he was actually healthy

harvins best year was 2011. he played all 16 games, had 87 catches for 967 yards and 6 td's

cobbs best year was 2012. he played all 16 games, had 80 catches for 954 yards and 8 td's

before cobb got hurt this year, he was on pace to shatter those career numbers. if he can stay healthy this season, he could go 1200+ and get into that same type of production jennings was doing before he left

I think that's kind of a misleading way to look at Cobb. He might get to the same amount of yards and TD's as Jennings but he'll take a lot more catches to get there IMO. Cobb is potentially a one-man offense but too many guys like that on one team start to give diminishing returns because there just aren't enough balls to go around. Nice thing about Jennings was the damage he could do with 65 catches in a year.

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I think that's kind of a misleading way to look at Cobb. He might get to the same amount of yards and TD's as Jennings but he'll take a lot more catches to get there IMO. Cobb is potentially a one-man offense but too many guys like that on one team start to give diminishing returns because there just aren't enough balls to go around. Nice thing about Jennings was the damage he could do with 65 catches in a year.

is cobb gonna remain in the same role if jones leaves, and continue to take all the hard underneath yards or will they spread him out more and let him go deeped like jennings use to do?

i could see the team getting him out from the middle of the field so he doesn't take as much of a beating

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Is it held against the better posters here because they only have to school your sorry ass?

yeah, and all 5 of the other posters on here are all really on top of their game

[Bretsky]

For those who are saying "if" we can get Jones to sign a good deal....do it.............what does that mean ?

I'm thinking Fair Market Value for JJ is 3.5 to 4.5 MIL/Year
If I'm GB I'm probably telling JJ to come back if he's interested in a 2.5MIL per year deal over three to four years and then I'm going and drafting a WR in the round 4-5 area like Abbederis

I think Jones could do well on a team like Denver or NE who employs multiple WR's with an excellent QB who can elevate him and/or expose some mismatches. Or on Green Bay....time will tell

[smuggler]

I think 3mil a year is more than fair. GB will let him test the waters, and if he gets significantly more than that, pat him on the back, wish him luck, and kiss him goodbye.

[Smidgeon]

the one year cobb was completely healthy is almost exactly the same (stat wise) as what harvin did in the years he was actually healthy

harvins best year was 2011. he played all 16 games, had 87 catches for 967 yards and 6 td's

cobbs best year was 2012. he played all 16 games, had 80 catches for 954 yards and 8 td's

before cobb got hurt this year, he was on pace to shatter those career numbers. if he can stay healthy this season, he could go 1200+ and get into that same type of production jennings was doing before he left

Two times I can remember McCarthy designing a season's plan around a skill position focal point. Both times, that player was lost for most or all of the year. <sigh> What could have been...

[Smidgeon]

is cobb gonna remain in the same role if jones leaves, and continue to take all the hard underneath yards or will they spread him out more and let him go deeped like jennings use to do?

i could see the team getting him out from the middle of the field so he doesn't take as much of a beating

But isn't that why Cobb is so dangerous? His ability to work the middle of the field? He isn't the speedster with the height and leaping ability on the outside. He'll be the slant guy who can make guys miss in the middle.

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But isn't that why Cobb is so dangerous? His ability to work the middle of the field? He isn't the speedster with the height and leaping ability on the outside. He'll be the slant guy who can make guys miss in the middle.

neither were jennings or driver

cobbs 40 time was just a touch faster then jennings. and jennings is only and inch taller

i think if they wanted cobb to play that type of game, he could. and i'm sure cobb would prefer to play the outside deep role, and not go over the middle and get the shit beat out of him on every play

[Patler]

Random comments about James Jones situation:

First, the guy has amazingly poor timing. His first go at free agency was in 2011, the year of the lockout. The regular expiring contract free agents were "locked out" of negotiations until the CBA was agreed to. Free agent signings didn't start until 7/25, just days before training camps opened. Teams were trying to get TC rosters filled, rookies in for orientations, etc. It was a very tepid free agent year, and many players signed so-so contracts with their old teams, just like Jones did.

Now, his second opportunity at FA is a year that has a very solid group of free agent WRs younger than him, but very accomplished, AND it is a very solid year for WRs in the draft. Teams needing WR's will have a lot to pick from.

Recently, GB has been able to negotiate several agreements that pay a player well, but make it relatively easy for the team to part ways with the player without a huge cap hit. Brad Jones contract is that way. If they can do the same with James Jones, it will give them protection against Nelson or Cobb leaving for huge paydays the Packers can't match. On the other hand, if they need the money to sign either Nelson or Cobb, and/or Boykin really blossoms, and/or they get a gem in the draft, they could trade Jones if they can or release him if they must and free up some additional cap space.

In view of the WR situation in FA and the draft, I think there is a reasonable likelihood of Jones being back in GB. The fact they have had no discussions is meaningless. At this stage, Jones would be foolish not to see what the market looks like, and GB has options allowing them to be patient.

[3irty1]

neither were jennings or driver

cobbs 40 time was just a touch faster then jennings. and jennings is only and inch taller

i think if they wanted cobb to play that type of game, he could. and i'm sure cobb would prefer to play the outside deep role, and not go over the middle and get the shit beat out of him on every play

That doesn't tell the whole story either though. Jennings ran a 4.42 but he ran the final 20 in 1.82 seconds. Cobb ran a 4.46 with his final 20 as 1.93. That's about how it looks at game speed to me as well: Cobb is more quick than fast, Jennings has much higher top speed.

[mraynrand]

At this stage, Jones would be foolish not to see what the market looks like, and GB has options allowing them to be patient.

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That doesn't tell the whole story either though. Jennings ran a 4.42 but he ran the final 20 in 1.82 seconds. Cobb ran a 4.46 with his final 20 as 1.93. That's about how it looks at game speed to me as well: Cobb is more quick than fast, Jennings has much higher top speed.

where did you get those numbers, was it a site?

i've been looking for a site with accurate old combine numbers, not just nfldraftscout.com