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The guy who did that?? Is a homer and can't be trusted, but since I don't have the game recorded, and don't have access to a tape of the game - I will vote to convict out of pure spiteOriginally posted by mraynrand View Postthey also did reasonably well in the 2-4 against SF in the opener. Someone broke that down play-by-play and showed that the 2-4 got them 4/5 of the defensive stops.
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Of course, everyone who disagrees with your mania must be a homer. You've really lost it dude. Plus, I posted all the plays. So you're in denial of reality. Puts you in a very uncomfortable place for a guy who scolds certain groups for doing the same thing in other areas, such as (see FYI).Originally posted by wist43 View PostThe guy who did that?? Is a homer and can't be trusted, but since I don't have the game recorded, and don't have access to a tape of the game - I will vote to convict out of pure spite
"Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck
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To switch the topic a bit, I think the pack should sign Jacoby Jones, giving us a bit more depth at WR. He also makes our return game dynamic, not only an upgrade from Hyde, but also allows Hyde to focus on his improved play at either CB or safety. Wouldn't be much more than $3 million if that. A good return game wins championships, as they say."In the time of chimpanzees, I was a monkey."
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Okay numb-nuts... you wanna play?? Let's look at your little breakdown - which, as I said, I cannot analyze b/c I don't have the game recorded. I will trust that the information you have provided is correct.Originally posted by mraynrand View PostOf course, everyone who disagrees with your mania must be a homer. You've really lost it dude. Plus, I posted all the plays. So you're in denial of reality. Puts you in a very uncomfortable place for a guy who scolds certain groups for doing the same thing in other areas, such as (see FYI).
You wanna thump your chest b/c we forced 4 punts out of that alignment??
According to your post, we allowed 10 first downs, a TD, and a FG - and it would appear the only reason the FG wasn't a TD was b/c of a Niner penalty and a -7 yard play that apparently came from a defensive alignment other than the 2-4/1-5, as they had a 3rd and goal from the 22.
Out of those plays, we gave up 225 yds - which is an average of 10.23 yds/play.
How you can consider giving up 10.23 yds/play a success is beyond me
And those are your numbers, and take on each play. I'm sure if I broke the plays down, I'd have a far different telling of what was happening on every play.
Cause I got news for ya - giving up 10.23 yds/play, aint a win for the defense
Game #1 GB at SF
Total defensive snaps (not counting the final clock-killing kneel downs)
72, 33 first half
3-4: (and two 4 man goal line fronts): 50 (79-90-97 – or some arrangement of this grouping: 30 (Wilson and Daniels substituted single on the other 20)
2-4: 20 (95-96: 14; 90-79: 3, 90-76: 1, 96-98: 1, 76-98: 1, )
1-5: 2 (95, Datone Jones as single lineman.
Let’s look at the 2-4 alignment plays. (down + distance) (are all 95-96, unless otherwise indicated. Neal typicall on the left, D.Jones on the right)
3+10: stopped QB run for 5 yards, punt
3+6: 10 yard completion to Boldin (81)
1+10 90-79; 25 y pass to Davis (85)
3+2: Run for 4
2+5 27 yard pass to 81
3+7 QB run stopped for 2; punt
3+6 Late hit, 52, offsetting penalties
3+6 TD pass to 81, McMillian in single coverage over middle (like taking candy from a baby!)
2+13 52 sack, -5
3+18 Pass for 12, punt
HALFTIME
2+10; 79-90 (hyde on run blitz from left end), Run for 1 yard
3+9 (actually this is a 1-5; Neal is off the line with Perry and Matthews); 23 yard pass to 81 - (note: very tight coverage byt shields and McMillian, great catch, decent pressure on Kap moving to his right).
1+10; 96-98; pass for 31 to (81) blown coverage on right sideline
3+5, Pass for 1 yard, punt
2+9; 76-98; pass for 36 to (85)
3+9 QB scramble for 15
3+goal from 17 yard line); penalty
3+goal from 22 (1-5 alignment); P for 14, FG
2+13; 90-79; run for 0 yards
3+13; pass incomplete, punt
3+4; pass 15 yards (85)
3+5; run 3 yards
49ers had 9 series in the game; 4 TDs and 1 FG and 5 stops; 4 of the stops were in 2-4 formation.Furthermore, you say we only used those alignments on 4 obvious running downs - whereas I count 7 such uses on 1st or 2nd down. Regardless of down/distance, 1st and 2nd down are either/or downs; combined with the 4 3rd downs you acknowledge - that's 11 plays in that alignment that were either/or, run/pass downs.observations: Only 4 times was the formation used on anything close to an (obvious) running down (all were 3rd and 5 or less; a single third and 2 yielded a four yard run for first down, one other run was stopped, and two passes netted two first downs. The 3-4 was almost exclusively used in run downs. The 2-4 was used on passing downs, many times on 3rd and long and did yield some big plays. Most of the time these completions were against nickel or dime (B. Jones in or out) with only a four man rush. Kap’s 15 yard scramble came against rare 6 man pressure blitz. When the 2-4 was run against, it was very effective; only two successful runs, and one was a scramble.
That's half of the plays you posted.
Of those 7 plays on 1st and 2nd down, we gave up 4 first downs, 115 yds, and had 1 sack.
That's an average of 16.43 yds/play on those downs.
Are you seriously going to argue those stats should be regarded as successful?? And that I'm in "denial", and in an "uncomfortable place" in arguing that this alignment, as played by Capers is junk??
Who's in denial??wist
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Anyone else care to take issue with the numbers ayn posted??
He thinks his post paints a pretty picture for the 1-5/2-4; whereas I think I've demonstrated quite effectively that we got our asses handed to us out of that alignment.
By way of simple math, I've demonstated that overall we gave up an average of 10.23 yds/play; and in either/or, run/pass situations we gave up an avg of 16.43 yds/play.
There is no way those numbers could be considered a success for the defense. No-Freaking-Way.wist
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your original point was that Capers used the 2-4 all the time and in the run defense all the time. Both were demonstrably 100% false. The 2-4 gave up some big plays, but the reasons had nothing to do with the alignment being unsound. Most of the yards were given up against McMillian and Jennings, who are no longer on the team. The Packers gave up over 400 yards, so half came against the 2-4, which was used almost exclusively in passing situations, which give up more yards than the 3-4, which was used more often and against the run. So, you ignored down and distance and play selection. You're analysis is thoroughly UNSOUND.Originally posted by wist43 View PostAnyone else care to take issue with the numbers ayn posted??
He thinks his post paints a pretty picture for the 1-5/2-4; whereas I think I've demonstrated quite effectively that we got our asses handed to us out of that alignment.
By way of simple math, I've demonstated that overall we gave up an average of 10.23 yds/play; and in either/or, run/pass situations we gave up an avg of 16.43 yds/play.
There is no way those numbers could be considered a success for the defense. No-Freaking-Way.
I wasn't trying to prove that the alignment was especially successful. I was simply analyzing it in broad terms and then addressing, and completely refuting, all your absurd claims. I did that. I also showed that the alignment was successful in stopping run/scrambles by Kap and was reasonably successful in ending drives: 4/5 drives the defense stopped were 2-4 or 1-5.Originally posted by wist43 View PostThere is no way those numbers could be considered a success for the defense. No-Freaking-Way."Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck
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