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  • #16
    Doesn't mean 4-3 personnel or even that alignment. Remember McCarthy also said they had plans for different packages that went by the wayside when Jones and then Matthews got hurt.

    McCarthy is saying you can't not use what you have on the sideline even if someone is injured. So if you had a plan for Psycho with Jones and Matthews rushing from the same side, you can't stop using that D if Matthews is hurt. Injuries cannot make you be simple. Mostly because the Packers rarely are assignment sure when young.
    Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by pbmax View Post
      Doesn't mean 4-3 personnel or even that alignment. Remember McCarthy also said they had plans for different packages that went by the wayside when Jones and then Matthews got hurt.

      McCarthy is saying you can't not use what you have on the sideline even if someone is injured. So if you had a plan for Psycho with Jones and Matthews rushing from the same side, you can't stop using that D if Matthews is hurt. Injuries cannot make you be simple. Mostly because the Packers rarely are assignment sure when young.

      But this doesn't make sense to me. Is MM saying that, even if his preferred starters get hurt, he still wants to run the same very complex schemes with a bunch of rookies and guys who were on the DL last year?

      If so, that's a recipe for even more of the communication breakdowns that lead to a wide receiver strolling into the end zone with the ball while two Packer defensive backs argue about who was supposed to take the guy. Unless one of the Packers slipped and is laying on the ground, thirty yards away, only to later tell reporters it wasn't clear that it was his guy to cover.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by Fritz View Post
        But this doesn't make sense to me. Is MM saying that, even if his preferred starters get hurt, he still wants to run the same very complex schemes with a bunch of rookies and guys who were on the DL last year?

        If so, that's a recipe for even more of the communication breakdowns that lead to a wide receiver strolling into the end zone with the ball while two Packer defensive backs argue about who was supposed to take the guy. Unless one of the Packers slipped and is laying on the ground, thirty yards away, only to later tell reporters it wasn't clear that it was his guy to cover.
        Its tough to parse. But it can still be very simple. You can still run only the basic concepts, but like McCarthy does with his offense, you swap out bodies to get different match ups.

        So with Jones and Neal on the field at the same time, Neal might always be the interior pass rush and Jones at OLB/DE. You could go four OLBs with Daniels and Jones and play nickel. The only thing that would need to change is question of who rushes and who drops back. You put Hawk and DB in and take Jones and OLB out and play psycho dime.

        Same defenses, different personnel.

        What is clearer is what Capers does now. Defined packages and groups. Outside of injury, you know if they call base, nickel or dime who will be where. Even fans can tell you this. Blitzes are standard with exceptions for occasional slot/corner or safety blitz. Offenses plan for this and scheme and use formation to out matchup them (especially first two 49er games) to create mismatches (Perry on WR, Gore on ILB, etc.). To combat this and provide solid coverage, Capers relies on some pattern reading and some complex rules in the secondary to reign in what offenses are trying to do. This is where injuries and youth hurt them. They often blow those adjustments.

        If the Packers had the talent to overwhelm (2010) it wouldn't matter. Capers can call a good enough game and scheme to put players in a good spot and if they make plays, everything is OK. But the big talent edge (Collins/Woodson) is gone. And the INTs that used to bail them out have disappeared.
        Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by pbmax View Post
          Its tough to parse. But it can still be very simple. You can still run only the basic concepts, but like McCarthy does with his offense, you swap out bodies to get different match ups.

          So with Jones and Neal on the field at the same time, Neal might always be the interior pass rush and Jones at OLB/DE. You could go four OLBs with Daniels and Jones and play nickel. The only thing that would need to change is question of who rushes and who drops back. You put Hawk and DB in and take Jones and OLB out and play psycho dime.

          Same defenses, different personnel.

          What is clearer is what Capers does now. Defined packages and groups. Outside of injury, you know if they call base, nickel or dime who will be where. Even fans can tell you this. Blitzes are standard with exceptions for occasional slot/corner or safety blitz. Offenses plan for this and scheme and use formation to out matchup them (especially first two 49er games) to create mismatches (Perry on WR, Gore on ILB, etc.). To combat this and provide solid coverage, Capers relies on some pattern reading and some complex rules in the secondary to reign in what offenses are trying to do. This is where injuries and youth hurt them. They often blow those adjustments.

          If the Packers had the talent to overwhelm (2010) it wouldn't matter. Capers can call a good enough game and scheme to put players in a good spot and if they make plays, everything is OK. But the big talent edge (Collins/Woodson) is gone. And the INTs that used to bail them out have disappeared.
          I think you're right. Less volume but more variance by cross training players to avoid injury. I don't expect the scheme to look different either.
          70% of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Al Harris.

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          • #20
            PBMax (or anyone else),

            Are you suggesting that - say on 3rd and 15 - the Packers will mix up the personnel but still have a dime package (6 dbs).....OR that they will use dime sometimes and other times use psycho or some other package (so rather than maybe two lineman an OLB and a DB pass rushing as might happen in dime, they might sometimes have 4 dbs and rush 5 or six, but the rushers would be two linemen and 3 OLBs).
            "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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            • #21
              For everyone who wants N'ail Diggs or Barnett back, D'Qwell Jackson is now available...

              http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...qwell-jackson/
              "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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              • #22
                Going to say, no thanks.

                Robert Klemko ‏@RobertKlemko 1h
                D'Qwell was the 25th-rated ILB by @PFF who played over half his team's snaps in 2013, so, maybe not that surprising a move.
                Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                • #23
                  Pete Dougherty ‏@PeteDougherty 2h
                  ILB Robert Francois' recovery from Achilles surgery on sked, but won't sign with anyone until April or after draft: http://tinyurl.com/k8ypahr
                  Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                  • #24
                    Pete Dougherty ‏@PeteDougherty 2h
                    Packers want ILB Jamari Lattimore back, though not at RFA tender of $1.38 milllion: http://tinyurl.com/n8rhlok

                    Jamari Lattimore, he's no Jarrett Bush.
                    Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by pbmax View Post
                      Pete Dougherty ‏@PeteDougherty 2h
                      Packers want ILB Jamari Lattimore back, though not at RFA tender of $1.38 milllion: http://tinyurl.com/n8rhlok

                      Jamari Lattimore, he's no Jarrett Bush.
                      "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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                      • #26
                        Pete Dougherty ‏@PeteDougherty 47s
                        Talked to Chris Banjo's agent, confirmed Banjo signed exclusive-rights offer, one-year deal.
                        Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by pbmax View Post
                          Pete Dougherty ‏@PeteDougherty 47s
                          Talked to Chris Banjo's agent, confirmed Banjo signed exclusive-rights offer, one-year deal.
                          MOAR BANJO!
                          When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro ~Hunter S.

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                          • #28
                            LOL @ Rand.
                            C.H.U.D.

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                            • #29
                              So is Lattimore going to be back with the Pack? He showed some flash.......Nice to see Deliverance will be back.
                              C.H.U.D.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by pbmax View Post
                                Pete Dougherty ‏@PeteDougherty 47s
                                Talked to Chris Banjo's agent, confirmed Banjo signed exclusive-rights offer, one-year deal.
                                The Bottom Line:
                                Formally Numb, same person, same views of M3

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